ATF and AR Pistols...time to sell?

[Thorpew]

^^^^^

You might want to sit this one out.
This discussion is for people with an IQ over 2. You don't get it.

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[Five_Point_Five_Six]

To a certain extent your right, a pension is a hard thing to walk away from. I also see politicians making it harder and harder for police to actually do their jobs, while hanging them out to dry at the same time for following all the rules. I also don't think that local cops who aren't making 6 figures wont really want to knock on the door of some suburban home to serve a warrant for multiple weapons. I think that there will be a ton of push back on that from guys on the ground.

You have more faith in complete strangers than I do. I don't think it matters much if the cop is making six figures or $28k/year. They'll look at their family, their home, their life, and they'll look at this stranger's name on the paperwork and make their decision about what they're gonna do. This isn't an anti-cop rant either, it's just my opinions based on what I know about human behavior. The number of people who will give up their careers and livelihood in order to not participate in violating a strangers civil rights, when the optics on it are very good and the majority of public opinion will support their actions, is very low.

I'm not an expert on police procedure, but I'm pretty sure they don't just get to opt out of assisting with serving warrants like "Nah fam I ain't really about this" and they just get assigned to go write parking tickets or something. It's a choice between following orders and walking away, and when faced with potentially losing everything you have or taking this one guy's guns, most people are going to choose to follow orders.

[Hank6046]

I'm not an expert on police procedure, but I'm pretty sure they don't just get to opt out of assisting with serving warrants like "Nah fam I ain't really about this" and they just get assigned to go write parking tickets or something. It's a choice between following orders and walking away, and when faced with potentially losing everything you have or taking this one guy's guns, most people are going to choose to follow orders.

They don't just follow orders blindly. If there is a warrant issued they most likely follow it, but when and how is often at their discretion. Certain big cities can push harder on cops, but local municipalities and Sheriff's departments are different. Sheriff's are elected, not appointed and they have more power then most people know. Cops can also call in sick, or "take time" on certain calls. There are unwritten norms and taboos like any other job. I was an enlisted Marine, but I didn't always blindly follow orders to accomplish a mission. Also larger cities are initiated with all sorts of priorities, adding mandatory buy back to their list is going to only further burden them.

I do tend to trust people until they give me a reason not to, and there are quite a few cops and LE that will inevitably answer the call, but I do not see this as the vast majority.

[jpmuscle]

Most cops aren’t gun guys let alone have a clue about the current state of matters and stats are stats, no matter how cheap.


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[MWAG19919]

As stated previously the majority of cops will follow orders. There’s plenty of precedent (Katrina being a prime example) where officers carry out orders contrary to their oath to the constitution. Not just guns either; warrantless searches, coercion, civil asset forfeiture without compensation... the list is long and depressing. Maybe it’s the decision between losing their salary, their benefits, and possibly their families. After all, if most cops aren’t “gun guys” you can pretty much guarantee their spouses aren’t either. How many officers will be able to choose to jeopardize their entire livelihood and have their wives leave them for some other dude’s property? Not many...

On top of that, most gun arguments focus on facts and data, as both are on our side. We’re usually not the ones speculating or making appeals to emotion, except for the fantasy of mil/LE disobedience. Here’s an uncomfortable fact for y’all: the Milgram Experiment. Be sure to brush up on it and let me know if you still have faith in mil/LE disobedience. I sure don’t.

I agree that guns need to be the new cannabis. No more compliance. Govt treads on us with wanton disregard for the constitution, so what use is compliance anymore? All it does is demonstrate tacit approval for a crooked leviathan at this point. By all means, write to your officials (my rep is an anti-gun minority woman in Chicago, so trying to sway her is a total waste of effort, but not all elected officials are a lost cause). Make these pricks (by which I mean every single soldier/guardsman/officer/agent/etc.) confiscate 1.5M+ braces the hard way. I don’t want violence, but if it takes another Waco to earn their respect then so be it. After a few high profile law-abiding citizens live stream their resistance I’m willing to bet this statist crap gets dealt with properly.

[MWAG19919]

As stated previously the majority of cops will follow orders. There’s plenty of precedent (Katrina being a prime example) where officers carry out orders contrary to their oath to the constitution. Not just guns either; warrantless searches, coercion, civil asset forfeiture without compensation... the list is long and depressing. Maybe it’s the decision between losing their salary, their benefits, and possibly their families. After all, if most cops aren’t “gun guys” you can pretty much guarantee their spouses aren’t either. How many officers will be able to choose to jeopardize their entire livelihood and have their wives leave them for some other dude’s property? Not many...

On top of that, most gun arguments focus on facts and data, as both are on our side. We’re usually not the ones speculating or making appeals to emotion, except for the fantasy of mil/LE disobedience. Here’s an uncomfortable fact for y’all: the Milgram Experiment. Be sure to brush up on it and let me know if you still have faith in mil/LE disobedience. I sure don’t.

I agree that guns need to be the new cannabis. No more compliance. Govt treads on us with wanton disregard for the constitution, so what use is compliance anymore? All it does is demonstrate tacit approval for a crooked leviathan at this point. By all means, write to your officials (my rep is an anti-gun minority woman in Chicago, so trying to sway her is a total waste of effort, but not all elected officials are a lost cause). Make these pricks (by which I mean every single soldier/guardsman/officer/agent/etc. who won’t refuse) confiscate 1.5M+ braces the hard way. I don’t want violence, but if it takes another Waco to earn their respect then so be it. After a few high profile law-abiding citizens live stream their resistance I’m willing to bet this statist crap gets dealt with properly.

[Trihonda]

I don't think it matters much if the cop is making six figures or $28k/year. They'll look at their family, their home, their life, and they'll look at this stranger's name on the paperwork and make their decision about what they're gonna do. This isn't an anti-cop rant either, it's just my opinions based on what I know about human behavior. The number of people who will give up their careers and livelihood in order to not participate in violating a strangers civil rights, when the optics on it are very good and the majority of public opinion will support their actions, is very low.

I hear you... it will be a tough choice. Family, career, home, income vs some random persons guns... but that’s too simplistic. Many cops have been getting beat down of late... we see the evil. We see the effort to tear this country apart.. by first defunding, dismantling the police, then with cancel culture with anything to do with law enforcement (they banned paw patrol)... we now see the cancel culture with ANY dissenting views, the attack on the first amendment... and imho the 2A is the guarantee of the 1a. So give LE credit.. participating in gun confiscation efforts might reap short terms gains (keeping your job), but will lead to the destruction of our entire country. I’ll choose my country over my job... because if we fall to socialism, my job won’t really matter.

[ABNAK]

You have more faith in complete strangers than I do. I don't think it matters much if the cop is making six figures or $28k/year. They'll look at their family, their home, their life, and they'll look at this stranger's name on the paperwork and make their decision about what they're gonna do. This isn't an anti-cop rant either, it's just my opinions based on what I know about human behavior. The number of people who will give up their careers and livelihood in order to not participate in violating a strangers civil rights, when the optics on it are very good and the majority of public opinion will support their actions, is very low.

I'm not an expert on police procedure, but I'm pretty sure they don't just get to opt out of assisting with serving warrants like "Nah fam I ain't really about this" and they just get assigned to go write parking tickets or something. It's a choice between following orders and walking away, and when faced with potentially losing everything you have or taking this one guy's guns, most people are going to choose to follow orders.

Nuremberg comes to mind. "I vas just following orderz".

[ABNAK]

Most cops aren’t gun guys let alone have a clue about the current state of matters and stats are stats, no matter how cheap.

Yeah the familiar refrain from some cops comes to mind: "If you don't like the law get it changed." Most will do as ordered. Not all, but most I predict. Just about all Feds > some staties > less local ones. The "lower" you go on the LE totem pole (and I mean their power and how they view themselves) the more chance of them saying "Nah, I don't think so."

[Five_Point_Five_Six]

Most cops aren’t gun guys let alone have a clue about the current state of matters and stats are stats, no matter how cheap.


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