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    Why no double barrel "firearms" similar to shockwave/tac-14?

    Seems like this would be a no brainer since the short double with a cut down "birds head" stock is more or less the iconic "sawed off shotgun"/"lupara"/...

    Not really any more practical necessarily, but I'm just suprised that I haven't seen anything along these lines. Especially with how popular these bang sticks are in movies.

    Considering the price point of doubles these days, most of the existing lines would be too expensive. But I can't believe lower tier manufacturers aren't cashing in.
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    Google "Remington 1740," built when I was in college by a THR alum called "Deer Hunter." He basically took a left-hand and right-hand 870 and bolted 'em together, rigged a hunk of baseball bat for double-pumping. One gun had a stock, the other PGO--and it was still a beast too heavy to be anything beyond a range-toy novelty just to say "I built a Super Shotgun from DOOM."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Google "Remington 1740," built when I was in college by a THR alum called "Deer Hunter." He basically took a left-hand and right-hand 870 and bolted 'em together, rigged a hunk of baseball bat for double-pumping. One gun had a stock, the other PGO--and it was still a beast too heavy to be anything beyond a range-toy novelty just to say "I built a Super Shotgun from DOOM."
    O! M! G!

    Not exactly what I meant by a double, but I love it. That's absolutely ridiculous.
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    I would assume because of the overall length issue. If you think about it, a break open shotgun receiver typically isn't contributing more than a couple of inches to the 26" minimum length.

    Just thought of a manufactured example.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Charmer_(shotgun)

    18-1/8" barrel plus a decent stock and 28-1/8" OAL.

    I couldn't find an example online of what I have heard referred to as "trucker shotguns" which are supposedly legal most anywhere and are made from a single shot shotgun with the barrel cut back to at least 18" and a stub of the butt stock left back of the grip to stay above the 26" length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by utahjeepr View Post
    O! M! G!

    Not exactly what I meant by a double, but I love it. That's absolutely ridiculous.
    I actually designed him a "selectable pump" using 1913 rail as tracks to guide the pump (left for left action only, right for right only, center for both) but it never got built. Main logistics problem was finding 1913 "clamp" sections... you can get rail anywhere, the design was three rails snext to each other oriented across the gun and split on the centerline, three "claws" sliding across them and a 1913 rail down the long axis below them to mount forearm of choice on.
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    An 18" barrel and youth stock wouldn't be much longer, but far more practical.

    The main problem is there is no Glock 19 of double barreled shotguns. It's like you can buy a Hipoint or a high end 1911 with nothing between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Google "Remington 1740," built when I was in college by a THR alum called "Deer Hunter." He basically took a left-hand and right-hand 870 and bolted 'em together, rigged a hunk of baseball bat for double-pumping. One gun had a stock, the other PGO--and it was still a beast too heavy to be anything beyond a range-toy novelty just to say "I built a Super Shotgun from DOOM."
    This screams Merica and I love it.

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    I've wondered this, as well. Double barrels actually start to make a lot of sense when you go down below 14 inches. Since they don't have an action, you can get the overall length very short, with relatively long barrels. And when you're talking about a gun that short, competing pump actions only hold one or two more rounds and are heavier and not too wieldy or easy to pump.

    Now I wouldn't do it to a "firearm," though. It would kick like a mule and you couldn't aim it. Basically be a breaching tool and nothing else at that point.

    But I would absolutely SBS a double barrel and cut those barrels to around 8-10 inches, and take a good bit off the LOP, as well. In fact, if I were to ever SBS something, that's what I would do. Fact is, a shotgun can't hold a candle to a Mk18 for raw killing power in close quarters. But if I could get something significantly shorter and lighter than a Mk18 that had significantly more power than a pistol-well who wouldn't want that?

    Here's a prime example:



    The overall length is about the same as something like a Serbu, but the barrels are several inches longer, and it only sacrifices one round in terms of capacity. You also have to take into account that you don't have to pump that round into the chamber, which is a very tangible benefit considering the poor ergonomics of pump actions that short, and the poor reliability of semi autos with barrels that short.

    You can also well imagine how short it would be if the barrels were cut down to the 6 inches of the Serbu style shotguns.
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    What would a PGO-and-VFG side-by-side at 18.5" barrel/26" OAL look like, anyway?

    I believe the Sicilian name for an 8-10" SxS is a lupara... problem with a lupara or a howdah is you only get one or two shots, great if you get the first or last hit in but not so much if the other guy still wants to play after you've run out. I'd probably go with a reduced-recoil deer slug load...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    What would a PGO-and-VFG side-by-side at 18.5" barrel/26" OAL look like, anyway?

    I believe the Sicilian name for an 8-10" SxS is a lupara... problem with a lupara or a howdah is you only get one or two shots, great if you get the first or last hit in but not so much if the other guy still wants to play after you've run out. I'd probably go with a reduced-recoil deer slug load...
    You can however get both shots off quick, and the spread can be pretty respectable depending on how short the barrels are, what load you're using, choke, etc. It's a great PDW concept, actually, because when PDWs get that short the power goes way, way down, like to pistol levels. You're basically talking 5.7 or .223 from a barrel so short it might as well be.

    Well, guess I'm off to file a form 1 now.

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