UFO Disclosure Thread

[Disciple]

Still listening to the Ryan Graves interview and he mentioned that these craft started appearing to the F18 pilots with the new upgraded sensors, and it seems to be fleet wide, not just those flying off the coast. Could it be that it’s a glitch in the new sensor? Listening to this a bit at a time and about 1:25:36 in, not sure if I caught anything about these being visually spotted in addition to sensor only. I know Ryan said he only saw stuff on his sensors.

Shows up on FLIR when they get closer: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y?t=4347

Visual contact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLDp-aYnR1Y&t=4555s

Another visual contact: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y?t=5676

Ok, I won't post anymore.

What is this a response to?

[gsd2053]

This was a memo from General Nathan F. Twining and the Flying Disc Problem of 1947

So how long have we had this top secret ability

http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/twining.htm

[WillBrink]

This was a memo from General Nathan F. Twining and the Flying Disc Problem of 1947

So how long have we had this top secret ability

http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/twining.htm

UFO's were about the worst kept secret in the mil for 70 + years, but they did a great job of making sure anyone who tried to talk about it in a serious way ended any hopes of career advancement, could lose their clearances, etc. Pilot's in WWII saw them regularly and gave them the "foo fighter" nickname as code to talk about them over coms and such.

It also tends to reduces likelihood of it being man made tech.

[StainlessSteelRat]

[QUOTE=WillBrink;3069042]UFO's were about the worst kept secret in the mil for 70 + years, but they did a great job of making sure anyone who tried to talk about it in a serious way ended any hopes of career advancement, could lose their clearances, etc. Pilot's in WWII saw them regularly and gave them the "foo fighter" nickname as code to talk about them over coms and such.
It also tends to reduces likelihood of it being man made tech.[/QUOTE

There is a pretty good book written on the foo fighter stuff during WW2, I'll see if I can find the title, it's been quite awhile since I read it.
People have been seeing odd things in the sky throughout history, also. I recall some ancient Greek account of 'flaming shields' gliding through the sky and such; the people classified them as something they were familiar with. Makes you wonder how many times these things were misidentified as flaming chariots, giant birds, etc through the centuries. For that matter, we could be misidentifying them now, based on what we assume to be possible.
As another Wil, (Rogers) once said, " It ain't what ya don't know that hurts ya, it's what ya know that ain't so".

[WillBrink]

[QUOTE=StainlessSteelRat;3069050]

UFO's were about the worst kept secret in the mil for 70 + years, but they did a great job of making sure anyone who tried to talk about it in a serious way ended any hopes of career advancement, could lose their clearances, etc. Pilot's in WWII saw them regularly and gave them the "foo fighter" nickname as code to talk about them over coms and such.
It also tends to reduces likelihood of it being man made tech.

There is a pretty good book written on the foo fighter stuff during WW2, I'll see if I can find the title, it's been quite awhile since I read it.

It's a topic I have researched/read on, a long time. An excellent summary:

https://www.history.com/news/wwii-uf...s-foo-fighters

People have been seeing odd things in the sky throughout history, also. I recall some ancient Greek account of 'flaming shields' gliding through the sky and such; the people classified them as something they were familiar with. Makes you wonder how many times these things were misidentified as flaming chariots, giant birds, etc through the centuries. For that matter, we could be misidentifying them now, based on what we assume to be possible.
As another Wil, (Rogers) once said, " It ain't what ya don't know that hurts ya, it's what ya know that ain't so".

I basically use the cut off as WWII as the time frame where "legit" sightings and experiences took place by mil via experienced pilots who knew what a plane, bird, etc behaved like, that can't be dismissed.

History suggests they have been with us far before that, but it's much more speculative at that point, so I prefer to use WWII and onward as reference point for the topic.

[donlapalma]

Apologies if this was discussed earlier in this thread but has anyone seen the new documentary Moment of Contact about the "Brazilian Roswell" event?

[gsd2053]

Apologies if this was discussed earlier in this thread but has anyone seen the new documentary Moment of Contact about the "Brazilian Roswell" event?

I just watched it upon your recommendation. Very good. James Fox makes the best documentaries I've seen.

I have been eagerly awaiting for the release of Capel Green.

[Straight Shooter]

Todays NYT- Many Military UFO Reports Are Just Foreign Spying or Airborne Trash. IM DYIN here!! FINALLY somebody tells the "truth".


WASHINGTON — Government officials believe that surveillance operations by foreign powers and weather balloons or other airborne clutter explain most recent incidents of unidentified aerial phenomenon — government-speak for UFOs — as well as many episodes in past years.

The sightings have puzzled the Pentagon and intelligence agencies for years, fueling theories about visiting space aliens and spying by a hostile nation using advanced technology. But government officials say many of the incidents have far more ordinary explanations.

Intelligence agencies are set to deliver a classified document to Congress by Monday updating a report made public last year that said nearly all of the incidents remain unexplained. The original document looked at 144 incidents between 2004 and 2021 that were reported by U.S. government sources, mostly American military personnel.

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This article is based on interviews with American officials familiar with the findings of the Pentagon and intelligence agencies’ examination of the incidents. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the classified work.

Some of the incidents have been formally attributed to Chinese surveillance — with relatively ordinary drone technology — and others are also thought to be connected to Beijing. China, which has stolen plans for advanced fighter planes, wants to learn more about how the United States trains its military pilots, according to American officials.

Much of the information about the unidentified phenomena remains classified. While Congress has been briefed on some of the conclusions about foreign surveillance, Pentagon officials have kept most of the work secret — in large measure because they do not want China or other countries to know that their efforts to spy on the U.S. military were detected.

But such official secrecy comes at a cost, allowing conspiracy theories about government lies to thrive unchecked.

Sue Gough, a Defense Department spokesperson, said the Pentagon remains committed to principles of openness but must balance that with its “its obligation to protect sensitive information, sources and methods.”

While the Pentagon will not “rush to conclusions in our analysis,” Gough said, no single explanation addresses the majority of unidentified aerial phenomenon reports.

“We are collecting as much data as we can, following the data where it leads and will share our findings whenever possible,” she said.

It was not clear how much of the new intelligence report would be made public. But of the cases that have been resolved, most have proved to be either errant junk in the sky, like balloons, or surveillance activity, officials said. Incidents recorded in the past year, for which more data has been collected, have turned out to have ordinary, earthbound explanations.

Officially, many of the older incidents are still unexplained and there is just too little data for Pentagon or intelligence officials to make final conclusions.

“In many cases, observed phenomena are classified as ‘unidentified’ simply because sensors were not able to collect enough information to make a positive attribution,” Gough said, referring to cameras, radar and other devices that collect information. “We are working to mitigate these shortfalls for the future and to ensure we have sufficient data for our analysis.”

Other officials insist that even though the evidence is imperfect, the grainy videos do not show space aliens.

Optical illusions along with the characteristics of classified sensors have caused ordinary objects, like drones or balloons, to appear to be something unusual or frightening.

In May, the Pentagon announced that previously released images of green triangles that looked like they could be alien ships were actually drones photographed through night-vision lenses.

Military officials declined to say precisely when or where the images were taken. But they believe the incidents are examples of attempts to conduct surveillance on military maneuvers.

UFO skeptics and experts in optics have long said many of the videos and sightings by naval aviators represent optical illusions that have made ordinary objects — weather balloons, commercial drones — appear to move faster than possible.

Military officials have largely come to the same conclusion.

Besides the images of the green triangles, the other recordings released by the Pentagon have not been categorized as surveillance incidents, at least so far. But Pentagon officials do not believe that any of them represent aliens, either.

One of the videos, referred to as GoFast, appears to show an object moving at immense speed. But an analysis by the military says that is an illusion created by the angle of observation against water. According to Pentagon calculations, the object is moving only about 30 mph.

Another video, known as Gimbal, shows an object that appears to be turning or spinning. Military officials now believe that is the optics of the classified image sensor, designed to help target weapons, make the object appear like it is moving in a strange way.

Military analysts remain puzzled by the third video, known as Flir1. The object captured in the 2004 video appears to hover over the water, jump erratically, then peel away. Military officials say that event is more difficult to explain, but officials who have studied it are convinced it is not a piece of alien technology.

Nevertheless, efforts by the Pentagon or intelligence officials to stamp out theories about aliens have largely failed. The Pentagon has formed, and then reformed, groups inside the department to improve data collection around the incidents and provide better explanations.

Military officials have repeatedly said there is no evidence that any of the images show space alien visitors, comments often played down in the news media or ignored by lawmakers. In May, Pentagon officials testified under oath that the government had not collected materials from any alien landing on Earth. But the testimony did little to dampen enthusiasm for theories about extraterrestrial visitors.

Publicly, military and intelligence officials have been reluctant to offer alternative theories, in part because they lack complete information, like in the case of the three videos, or because they do not want to reveal what they know about the surveillance, for fear China or other countries could learn to better hide their activities.

The failure to categorize or offer explanations for many of the unidentified incidents has allowed UFO enthusiasts to argue that the government does not know what the incidents are — at least leaving open the possibility that aliens have been visiting the United States.

There is a long history of the U.S. government using speculation over conspiracy theories to prevent secrets from becoming widely known. During the development of American spy planes like the U-2 and SR-71 Blackbird, the government allowed rumors about UFO sightings to continue to help hide the development of those programs.

But intelligence officials concluded long ago that using conspiracy theories as cover for classified programs sows distrust in the American government and paranoia.

Some American officials believe the secrecy surrounding the Chinese surveillance of military bases once again risks giving life to conspiracy theories and heightening distrust of government in an ever more bitterly divided society.

At the hearing in May, the Pentagon declassified the conclusions about two separate images of ghostly green triangles recorded in two incidents, one on the East Coast and one on the West. Officials testified publicly that the green triangles were actually drones, with a trick of the camera lens and night vision technology transforming them into glowing triangles that look like alien spacecraft.

At the hearing, other military assets saw drones operating in the area, allowing the Navy to conclude the strange triangles were nothing otherworldly, said Scott W. Bray, the deputy director of naval intelligence.

At the hearing, Bray also explained why the government was not releasing more information about the incidents.

“We do not want potential adversaries to know exactly what we’re able to see or understand, or how we come to the conclusion,” Bray said. “Therefore, disclosures must be carefully considered on a case-by-case basis.”

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Feelings gonna be hurt in 5,4,3,2...

[tn1911]

that surveillance operations by foreign powers and weather balloons or other airborne clutter explain most recent incidents of unidentified aerial phenomenon

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[tn1911]

Another UFO report comes out next week, some incidents still unexplained

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/another-uf...220209056.html

The update follows the DNI's first-ever report released in June 2022 that listed 144 UAP incidents, only one of which could be explained. At a congressional hearing earlier this year Pentagon officials said that the number of UAP incidents under investigation had risen to more than 400.

While it is unclear how many new reports will be included in the upcoming update, a U.S. official told ABC News that the most recent UAP incidents can be explained as a mix of weather balloons, airborne clutter, and foreign surveillance. But the official stressed that other incidents still cannot be explained.

Probably just more chinamart swamp gas...