UFO Disclosure Thread

[WillBrink]

The Bible certainly takes that viewpoint. It suggests an almost Star Trek-like multiverse with billions of individuals and myriad species and races. There's even a "divine council" spoken of several times that sounds an awful lot like the federation concept. While most people think of God like a dictator, the Bible presents Him more as a constitutional monarch.

Something to consider about that analogy though. Also like Star Trek, the good guys seem to follow something on the order of the Prime Directive. But instead of warp travel being the line in the sand, with them it's interdimensional travel. If you dig into the details, the two times that God really interferes with mankind on a grand scale (the flood and the tower of babel), it all had to do with humans trying to build portals to other dimensions.

Another thing we learn from Scripture is that the good guys very rarely interact with us. Only very specific people at very specific times for very specific purposes have ever knowingly been approached by advanced beings. Just like in Star Trek, they seem to make very rare exceptions when it comes to openly approaching us mere mortals. The Bible also says very plainly that we often entertain "angels" unawares.

What I mean to say with all that is that while we do obviously live in a very richly diverse reality, the historical evidence is pretty clear that the good guys do their best to not interfere with us if it can be helped. And when they do, they do it in the most unobtrusive way possible. So these open displays of force and seeming need to be seen are pretty ominous if you ask me.

What open displays of force are you referring to? With the level of tech they display, if they were showing any legit display of force, our military would be out of commission in an afternoon at best. They may be making attempts to make their presence known more now for reasons unclear, but I see nothing remotely close to a show of force on their end.

Giving the benefit of the doubt the accounts are accurate, the few times humans have been the aggressors and attempt to actively engage them with weapons, they did defend themselves with no life lost on our end.

I don't assign benevolent or malevolent motives to those actions per se, but what appears very clear, from at least 70+ years of interactions with military assets, is if they decided to legit go open displays of force, it would be a lot more obvious and would be like a fleet of F22's showing during Revolutionary War times at best.

Of course some posit that there's a handful of them that we are dealing with - or a myriad species and races as you put it - that like us humans, range from good intentions toward us, and not so good intentions and the good guys keeping the others in check on our behalf.

[TomMcC]

The Bible certainly takes that viewpoint. It suggests an almost Star Trek-like multiverse with billions of individuals and myriad species and races. There's even a "divine council" spoken of several times that sounds an awful lot like the federation concept. While most people think of God like a dictator, the Bible presents Him more as a constitutional monarch.

Something to consider about that analogy though. Also like Star Trek, the good guys seem to follow something on the order of the Prime Directive. But instead of warp travel being the line in the sand, with them it's interdimensional travel. If you dig into the details, the two times that God really interferes with mankind on a grand scale (the flood and the tower of babel), it all had to do with humans trying to build portals to other dimensions.

Another thing we learn from Scripture is that the good guys very rarely interact with us. Only very specific people at very specific times for very specific purposes have ever knowingly been approached by advanced beings. Just like in Star Trek, they seem to make very rare exceptions when it comes to openly approaching us mere mortals. The Bible also says very plainly that we often entertain "angels" unawares.

What I mean to say with all that is that while we do obviously live in a very richly diverse reality, the historical evidence is pretty clear that the good guys do their best to not interfere with us if it can be helped. And when they do, they do it in the most unobtrusive way possible. So these open displays of force and seeming need to be seen are pretty ominous if you ask me.

I disagree with your view that God is some sort of "constitutional monarch" and that He "interferes" in His creation. The Bible clearly teaches that God is absolutely sovereign over everything, that everything exists because He causes it to exist from moment to moment and that everything belongs to Him. For the most part God remains hidden because of our wickedness and that He "works all things after the council of His own will". He may or may not use means for the work of providence, including the use of angels or demons or men.

[OhThatGuy]

I think the idea is if humans with their tech and "knowledge" can't even come close to putting together a single cell life form, how can an unthinking natural process that nobody can describe in any way even remotely create life.

I think the point is that the process happens various places and it doesn’t matter how ignorant we are / aren’t about that process.

[Disciple]

I think the point is that the process happens various places and it doesn’t matter how ignorant we are / aren’t about that process.

We only know about one place so far. Positing that it did or will happen elsewhere, or for that matter that it cannot happen elsewhere, is speculation.

[WillBrink]

We only know about one place so far. Positing that it did or will happen elsewhere, or for that matter that it cannot happen elsewhere, is speculation.

And there's not one scientist working in the field that would disagree. The speculation based on what is known, is that the likelihood of us being the only life in our galaxy, much less in the universe, is as close to zero as one can get without direct confirmation, but no matter the amount of evidence that makes it astronomically unlikely we are all that exists, it is speculation that life exists beyond us at this time.

What people often miss in that discussion is it's a totally different discussion as to the likelihood that life, if it exists, has actually visited us.

People often debate that as interchangeable topics, and they are not.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

300 years ago... many of the devices we use today would have us put on trial for witchcraft and executed.

Answers to things we haven't understood in the past have always been there. We just didn't see them until we did.

[WillBrink]

300 years ago... many of the devices we use today would have us put on trial for witchcraft and executed.

Answers to things we haven't understood in the past have always been there. We just didn't see them until we did.

Everyone is convinced the current time they live in the height of human knowledge and tech, and again, human-centric thinking that makes them look like ignorant fools within a few generations, yet they never seem to learn.

Galileo demonstrated that, yet again, we were not the center of everything, we went around the sun vs the other way around, and spent the rest of his days under house arrest for it after his Inquisition.

Yada yada, repeat process over and over and... well you know.

[TomMcC]

I think the point is that the process happens various places and it doesn’t matter how ignorant we are / aren’t about that process.

But you do believe there is a process and that it is going on right now, maybe even on earth but it can't be observed, detected, or even described at all?

[okie]

What open displays of force are you referring to? With the level of tech they display, if they were showing any legit display of force, our military would be out of commission in an afternoon at best. They may be making attempts to make their presence known more now for reasons unclear, but I see nothing remotely close to a show of force on their end.

Giving the benefit of the doubt the accounts are accurate, the few times humans have been the aggressors and attempt to actively engage them with weapons, they did defend themselves with no life lost on our end.

I don't assign benevolent or malevolent motives to those actions per se, but what appears very clear, from at least 70+ years of interactions with military assets, is if they decided to legit go open displays of force, it would be a lot more obvious and would be like a fleet of F22's showing during Revolutionary War times at best.

Of course some posit that there's a handful of them that we are dealing with - or a myriad species and races as you put it - that like us humans, range from good intentions toward us, and not so good intentions and the good guys keeping the others in check on our behalf.

Let's say we discovered faster than light travel and found a planet inhabited by intelligent civilizations that regarded themselves as being alone. How would you approach them? Fly a squadron of fighters over their capitol and openly display that your level of military prowess was lightyears ahead of their own, without making any attempt to communicate with them? And then do that repeatedly, again without making any attempt to communicate?

That's basically a summary of our nation's first interaction with them in the 1950s.

And if you possessed that level of technology, and saw that this hypothetical planet suffered from wars and famines that you could stop with the press of a button, wouldn't you? If you're going to make your presence known to them, wouldn't you want to use your technology to help them solve some of their problems? Like maybe stop a genocide? Cure cancer? Something.

That's not even mentioning the whole abduction phenomenon, which is a thousand times darker and more disturbing than suggested by the mainstream media. Most of these people are tortured. And for as many clinical type experiences that could be written off as having some unknown purpose, there are perhaps even more experiences that have no such context, where the victim was simply tortured for no apparent reason whatsoever. Oftentimes sexually.

As for why they don't just wipe us out war of the worlds style, again, I think we're dealing with something of a far different nature. I don't think they can. Either because they're being restrained by something more capable than themselves, that forces them to walk a thin line, or because their prowess is at least partly an illusion. It seems more than anything they need us to believe that they're capable of destroying us, and that we're powerless. When in reality I think the battle is actually psychological, and we have far more power than we know.

And beyond all that, they're liars. As pointed out in that video just posted, back in the 1800s they presented themselves much differently, to appeal to the level of understanding at the time. They appeared in Zeppelin style craft. And then abruptly stopped when our understanding of science advanced to the point where we would see that for the farce that it was.

We are dealing with an invasion, but the battlespace is in our collective consciousness. That's the unvarnished truth that they desperately don't want us to find out. If there was a mass awareness that they were malevolent and that their attacks were psychic in nature, that knowledge in and of itself would be their immediate demise. They have only the power that we give them, and we give it to them by entertaining their nonsense.

[TomMcC]

Everyone is convinced the current time they live in the height of human knowledge and tech, and again, human-centric thinking that makes them look like ignorant fools within a few generations, yet they never seem to learn.

Galileo demonstrated that, yet again, we were not the center of everything, we went around the sun vs the other way around, and spent the rest of his days under house arrest for it after his Inquisition.

Yada yada, repeat process over and over and... well you know.

Where is the center of everything? If you don't know where the center of everything is, how can you say we are not at the center? Maybe the center of everything isn't fixed, maybe it moves.