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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    As someone who has been following the phenomena since I was a kid, so 4 decades ish give or take, I don't require ufologists (what ever that really is...) to interpret that for me. If they're intent is not peaceful, we are the equivalent of stone age cave man vs an F22 at best, from the tech we see, and I suspect concerned about our transition to planet ending weapons we hardly understand.

    Fact remains, what ever we think is their intentions is a WAG as we don't know what they are. I know what I think they are, but they may be something we can't even understand.
    Not something we can understand visually or chronologically (chicken and egg thing, on a quantum level), but something we can definitely understand on a certain level.

    I'm sure you're familiar with Schrodinger's cat and the quantum explanation for it, and how that plays into the many worlds theory. Well, overlay that with time as a spatial concept, from a higher dimensional perspective where cause and effect don't necessarily have to be in any particular order.

    To put it in modern terms, they're most likely interdimensional marauders trying to break into our timeline/world. One of the common misunderstandings of the many worlds theory is that there's a world for every possible possibility. In reality, the theory postulates that there are high and low amplitude worlds, based on probabilities. In other words, there's a high amplitude world where Donald Trump is still president. On the other hand, a world where I'm president is of such low amplitude that it for all intents and purposes doesn't exist.

    With all that in mind, my assertion is they're not as powerful or as free roaming as they seem. I think their prowess is largely an illusion, and I think that's the fundamental reason for their manipulative behavior. If we were to find out their true nature, defeating them would be easy. Imo, they're from a low amplitude timeline that's dying, and they're trying to merge their timeline with ours.

    The bridge for them to do that is human consciousness. For lack of a better term, our brains are quantum computers capable of moving through space time. That's how we form our reality is by navigating space time, like you would navigate 3d space using a map. Since these creatures are in a timeline parallel to our own, we can reach out and touch each other so to speak, across hyperspace, with our consciousnesses. And there are places in the timelines where our worlds get closer and maybe even merge.

    So they're using their influence to try and actively bring out timelines closer together. If that happens, then we really do have a problem. In my opinion, it will happen, and I believe that's what the prophets all describe as the end of days.

    P.S. probably should preface all that by saying that intergalactic, interdimensional, and time travel are all the same thing. You can't do one without doing all three. It's all just movement through the fourth dimension, but we perceive it as three separate things that we think are separable, when in fact they are not. We're all interdimensional time travelers, we just don't realize it because our travels are short.

    Ergo, they might not be lying about what they are, even when they say they're different things at different times, that we consider to be mutually exclusive. So they might be ghosts from the past, aliens from other worlds, time travelers from our distant future, us from the distant future (at least in one possible timeline), interdimensional travelers, etc. As many have pointed out, space looks a lot like a neural network, so you have lots of things looping back on themselves. Lots of feedback loops, lots of cycles. Sort of like the grandfather paradox on steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okie View Post
    Not something we can understand visually or chronologically (chicken and egg thing, on a quantum level), but something we can definitely understand on a certain level.

    I'm sure you're familiar with Schrodinger's cat and the quantum explanation for it, and how that plays into the many worlds theory. Well, overlay that with time as a spatial concept, from a higher dimensional perspective where cause and effect don't necessarily have to be in any particular order.

    To put it in modern terms, they're most likely interdimensional marauders trying to break into our timeline/world. One of the common misunderstandings of the many worlds theory is that there's a world for every possible possibility. In reality, the theory postulates that there are high and low amplitude worlds, based on probabilities. In other words, there's a high amplitude world where Donald Trump is still president. On the other hand, a world where I'm president is of such low amplitude that it for all intents and purposes doesn't exist.

    With all that in mind, my assertion is they're not as powerful or as free roaming as they seem. I think their prowess is largely an illusion, and I think that's the fundamental reason for their manipulative behavior. If we were to find out their true nature, defeating them would be easy. Imo, they're from a low amplitude timeline that's dying, and they're trying to merge their timeline with ours.

    The bridge for them to do that is human consciousness. For lack of a better term, our brains are quantum computers capable of moving through space time. That's how we form our reality is by navigating space time, like you would navigate 3d space using a map. Since these creatures are in a timeline parallel to our own, we can reach out and touch each other so to speak, across hyperspace, with our consciousnesses. And there are places in the timelines where our worlds get closer and maybe even merge.

    So they're using their influence to try and actively bring out timelines closer together. If that happens, then we really do have a problem. In my opinion, it will happen, and I believe that's what the prophets all describe as the end of days.
    I too am fascinated by, and lean toward, inter dimensional beings as possible, if not likley, explanation for what we see/experience. Beyond that, yours may be dead on, or totally off, but it's an interesting take on it. We have just scratched the surface of what may be old tech/knowledge to them. I try to keep up on the topic best I can when I can as to breakthroughs in those areas of physics, and how they intersect with topics like consciousness, both individual, universal, and higher being.

    In line with what you're talking about, Anthropic Principle and Fine Tuning of the universe. How does the anthropic principle impact the fine tuning of the universe we exist in? Great vid on the topic and a great channel all around, where he talks not not with scientists, but theologians, philosophers, and others, and does not ignore or deny any possibilities as to that issue:



    The "fine tuned" universe: What's Fine-Tuning in Cosmology?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFtFQfHiCs
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    I too am fascinated by, and lean toward, inter dimensional beings as possible, if not likley, explanation for what we see/experience. Beyond that, yours may be dead on, or totally off, but it's an interesting take on it. We have just scratched the surface of what may be old tech/knowledge to them. I try to keep up on the topic best I can when I can as to breakthroughs in those areas of physics, and how they intersect with topics like consciousness, both individual, universal, and higher being.

    In line with what you're talking about, Anthropic Principle and Fine Tuning of the universe. How does the anthropic principle impact the fine tuning of the universe we exist in? Great vid on the topic and a great channel all around, where he talks not not with scientists, but theologians, philosophers, and others, and does not ignore or deny any possibilities as to that issue:



    The "fine tuned" universe: What's Fine-Tuning in Cosmology?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFtFQfHiCs
    I'm a creationist, so none of that needs any further explanation in my worldview. The universe is fine tuned to support life because it was designed to do so from the outset.

    In my view, things are somewhat limited. Someone who believes in anthropic principle might think there are alternate worlds where you have non carbon based lifeforms, for example, but in my view the nature of our universe is as mathematically predetermined as two following one. In other words, it's not mere chance that makes it seem like our universe is fine tuned, ruling out survivorship bias. In simplistic terms, I think that's as ridiculous as arguing that the number two fits perfectly between one and three as a matter of chance, and two's view that numbers are by chance arranged for its benefit, when it simply couldn't be any other way.

    I also don't believe in nature. In my view, nothing is natural. The universe in my opinion is an artificially created environment made up of encoded information, not so different from what we might think of as a holographic interface with many layers of code all operating in unison as a single ecosystem. How anyone can look at DNA and see anything other than self replicating machines is beyond me. To me, it's abundantly clear that we're someone's androids. And this thing we call dimension is basically just layers of code behind the graphical interface we experience as spatial, chronological reality.

    Otherwise put, let's say you could program sentient beings in a virtual world that exists only in a computer. And then they sit around arguing about where they came from, ultimately concluding they must have evolved by random chance from elements of their environment, but always plagued by that realization that everything around them is just a little too perfect to be mere chance.

    I think cosmology bears this out more than anything. Take the moon, for example. If it weren't there, we would be bombarded with asteroids. But if it were a tiny bit closer, the tides would wash over all the land mass of the earth every day. If it were a tiny bit further away, we would have no tides, and have no weather, making the earth a desolate place. And somehow that all just so happens to work out that the moon perfectly covers the sun to make eclipses, while simultaneously the earth perfectly covers the moon to make blood moons. If either were a fraction of a percent smaller or larger, that wouldn't work, or if the distances were any different. And that's incredibly remarkable, because the distance between celestial bodies is always changing. Not too long ago, the moon was ostensibly closer to the earth, and not too long from now it will be too far. So not only do you have to believe that by chance the solar system is set up in such a way to support life, but that we just so happen to live in a very brief window of time in which all these things also work out to make eclipses possible. And as far as I know, there's no other solar system with anything like that anywhere else.

    And if the sun were a tiny bit larger, it would set us on fire, tiny bit smaller we would freeze. From our perspective, our planet has extreme weather, but conditions here actually fall within a very, very narrow range. So it's kind of like a bunch of people sitting in a climate controlled room all marveling at what a coincidence it is that the temperature in there just so happens to be to their liking, all while vehemently denying the existence of the thermostat on the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie View Post
    I'm a creationist, so none of that needs any further explanation in my worldview. The universe is fine tuned to support life because it was designed to do so from the outset.

    In my view, things are somewhat limited.Someone who believes in anthropic principle might think there are alternate worlds where you have non carbon based lifeforms, for example, but in my view the nature of our universe is as mathematically predetermined as two following one.
    In other words, it's not mere chance that makes it seem like our universe is fine tuned, ruling out survivorship bias. In simplistic terms, I think that's as ridiculous as arguing that the number two fits perfectly between one and three as a matter of chance, and two's view that numbers are by chance arranged for its benefit, when it simply couldn't be any other way.

    I also don't believe in nature. In my view, nothing is natural. The universe in my opinion is an artificially created environment made up of encoded information, not so different from what we might think of as a holographic interface with many layers of code all operating in unison as a single ecosystem. How anyone can look at DNA and see anything other than self replicating machines is beyond me. To me, it's abundantly clear that we're someone's androids. And this thing we call dimension is basically just layers of code behind the graphical interface we experience as spatial, chronological reality.

    Otherwise put, let's say you could program sentient beings in a virtual world that exists only in a computer. And then they sit around arguing about where they came from, ultimately concluding they must have evolved by random chance from elements of their environment, but always plagued by that realization that everything around them is just a little too perfect to be mere chance.

    I think cosmology bears this out more than anything. Take the moon, for example. If it weren't there, we would be bombarded with asteroids. But if it were a tiny bit closer, the tides would wash over all the land mass of the earth every day. If it were a tiny bit further away, we would have no tides, and have no weather, making the earth a desolate place. And somehow that all just so happens to work out that the moon perfectly covers the sun to make eclipses, while simultaneously the earth perfectly covers the moon to make blood moons. If either were a fraction of a percent smaller or larger, that wouldn't work, or if the distances were any different. And that's incredibly remarkable, because the distance between celestial bodies is always changing. Not too long ago, the moon was ostensibly closer to the earth, and not too long from now it will be too far. So not only do you have to believe that by chance the solar system is set up in such a way to support life, but that we just so happen to live in a very brief window of time in which all these things also work out to make eclipses possible. And as far as I know, there's no other solar system with anything like that anywhere else.

    And if the sun were a tiny bit larger, it would set us on fire, tiny bit smaller we would freeze. From our perspective, our planet has extreme weather, but conditions here actually fall within a very, very narrow range. So it's kind of like a bunch of people sitting in a climate controlled room all marveling at what a coincidence it is that the temperature in there just so happens to be to their liking, all while vehemently denying the existence of the thermostat on the wall.
    Not totally accurate as there's soft and hard anthropic principle, and the hard does fall very much in favor of much of what you wrote: the universe is designed and pre determined and "fine tuned" for us to exist. Hence, one may conclude a consciousness behind it.

    No explanation is offered, but he explores the topic from both science and non possibilities on various topics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    You're using human centric POV to apply motives, and it could be as simple as trying to prevent us from running with scissors and snuff ourselves out before we can develop into a species they can actually work with, to motives we can't even fathom, equivalent to your dog trying to understand the TV remote and how the TV works and the concept of an electron.

    The study of extra terrestrial intelligent life is taken very seriously among scientists, hence why SETI was started in the 60s, etc.

    It was never a fringe.
    Actually many people here are applying a human centric POV in that any alien species would have human like motivations. That their civilization would be based upon any of our values is projections of our ideas onto everything else. They may not even have emotions or logic at all.

    And despite Voyager, SETI and Carl Sagan, nobody is getting their doctorate in ufology. And guys like Peter Ward and the new field of astrobiology are adding tons of new variables to the Drake Equation.

    Now I personally think it's an interesting subject and one that bears investigation, but without fail the Bigfoot crowd shows up and wants to have Adamski conversations. They begin with the premise that their ideas are already somehow proven and want to speculate from there.

    Any video they see concludes with "Oh that's an alien spaceship" and they are doing this because we have nukes or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Not totally accurate as there's soft and hard anthropic principle, and the hard does fall very much in favor of much of what you wrote: the universe is designed and pre determined and "fine tuned" for us to exist. Hence, one may conclude a consciousness behind it.

    No explanation is offered, but he explores the topic from both science and non possibilities on various topics.
    I'm just saying what I personally believe. That is, there's no mystery from my perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Not totally accurate as there's soft and hard anthropic principle, and the hard does fall very much in favor of much of what you wrote: the universe is designed and pre determined and "fine tuned" for us to exist. Hence, one may conclude a consciousness behind it.

    No explanation is offered, but he explores the topic from both science and non possibilities on various topics.
    I'm just saying what I personally believe. That is, there's no mystery from my perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie View Post
    I'm just saying what I personally believe. That is, there's no mystery from my perspective.
    Rgr that, for me, this is an ongoing journey and I remain agnostic-ish. I really enjoy that channel as he explores all aspects of all the biggest Qs without pushing one POV over another. He interviews them all, lets them present their intel, and leaves it to us the viewers to decide.

    I will stop derailing the thread now. I take this with a big grain of salt, but interesting:

    https://thepulse.one/2021/10/21/eins...-craft-beings/
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Actually many people here are applying a human centric POV in that any alien species would have human like motivations. That their civilization would be based upon any of our values is projections of our ideas onto everything else. They may not even have emotions or logic at all.
    And that's their downfall, although perfectly understandable.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    And despite Voyager, SETI and Carl Sagan, nobody is getting their doctorate in ufology. And guys like Peter Ward and the new field of astrobiology are adding tons of new variables to the Drake Equation.
    To me, like saying despite two world wars, Europe has been a peaceful place. PhDs, in exobiology and others tells us that's precisely what they are focused on and have been for a very long time. The major focus on most of the space exploration, such as looking for more exoplanets is focused really on finding alien life. One microbe of any kind, is alien life and would the the single greatest discovery of human kind. It would also all but guarantee we are not alone. Being scientists, and not wanting to sound like the fringe loons, they are very tight lipped about anything beyond that without evidence, but make no mistake, many, perhaps most, astronauts will admit now they do in fact believe there's intelligent life not us, and some will flat out tell say they believe they visit our planet. During the Apollo missions they regularly saw things their highly educated eyes/brains could not explain, craft following them and such, and were tolled to keep their mouths shut about it.

    What does it all mean? I really don't know, but way too many legit people over decades and decades seen and experienced what they have to be dismissed.


    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Now I personally think it's an interesting subject and one that bears investigation, but without fail the Bigfoot crowd shows up and wants to have Adamski conversations. They begin with the premise that their ideas are already somehow proven and want to speculate from there.

    Any video they see concludes with "Oh that's an alien spaceship" and they are doing this because we have nukes or whatever.
    It's always dangerous to start from the position X is proven and work from there to support it to be sure. The evidence to do so must be a lock to do that, and we don't have it for UFOs, at least we don't, meaning the public. I kinda go back and forth on how much the gubment actually knows and is not sharing with us common folk.

    For me, what is a lock is there's something in our airspace that can't be explained as any known phenomenon and can't be ignored. Whether it's ultra advanced tech we developed, something not us, some combinations there of, I don't know.

    What that phenomena is needs to be explained as a matter of national security at the very least, and I'm really happy I lived long enough for it to finally be taken seriously outside of a very small circle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okie View Post
    I'm a creationist, so none of that needs any further explanation in my worldview. The universe is fine tuned to support life because it was designed to do so from the outset.

    In my view, things are somewhat limited. Someone who believes in anthropic principle might think there are alternate worlds where you have non carbon based lifeforms, for example, but in my view the nature of our universe is as mathematically predetermined as two following one. In other words, it's not mere chance that makes it seem like our universe is fine tuned, ruling out survivorship bias. In simplistic terms, I think that's as ridiculous as arguing that the number two fits perfectly between one and three as a matter of chance, and two's view that numbers are by chance arranged for its benefit, when it simply couldn't be any other way.

    I also don't believe in nature. In my view, nothing is natural. The universe in my opinion is an artificially created environment made up of encoded information, not so different from what we might think of as a holographic interface with many layers of code all operating in unison as a single ecosystem. How anyone can look at DNA and see anything other than self replicating machines is beyond me. To me, it's abundantly clear that we're someone's androids. And this thing we call dimension is basically just layers of code behind the graphical interface we experience as spatial, chronological reality.

    Otherwise put, let's say you could program sentient beings in a virtual world that exists only in a computer. And then they sit around arguing about where they came from, ultimately concluding they must have evolved by random chance from elements of their environment, but always plagued by that realization that everything around them is just a little too perfect to be mere chance.

    I think cosmology bears this out more than anything. Take the moon, for example. If it weren't there, we would be bombarded with asteroids. But if it were a tiny bit closer, the tides would wash over all the land mass of the earth every day. If it were a tiny bit further away, we would have no tides, and have no weather, making the earth a desolate place. And somehow that all just so happens to work out that the moon perfectly covers the sun to make eclipses, while simultaneously the earth perfectly covers the moon to make blood moons. If either were a fraction of a percent smaller or larger, that wouldn't work, or if the distances were any different. And that's incredibly remarkable, because the distance between celestial bodies is always changing. Not too long ago, the moon was ostensibly closer to the earth, and not too long from now it will be too far. So not only do you have to believe that by chance the solar system is set up in such a way to support life, but that we just so happen to live in a very brief window of time in which all these things also work out to make eclipses possible. And as far as I know, there's no other solar system with anything like that anywhere else.

    And if the sun were a tiny bit larger, it would set us on fire, tiny bit smaller we would freeze. From our perspective, our planet has extreme weather, but conditions here actually fall within a very, very narrow range. So it's kind of like a bunch of people sitting in a climate controlled room all marveling at what a coincidence it is that the temperature in there just so happens to be to their liking, all while vehemently denying the existence of the thermostat on the wall.
    And all of those non-starters are prevalent all over the galaxy and probably universe. Now if every star system had an M class planet, you might have something. But the universe in INCREDIBLY hostile to intelligent life.

    I think of the Drake equation, but run it backwards. The longer we go with out hearing or seeing evidence of intelligent life, the less likely it becomes. Every ticking second makes it less likely, or really reduces the number of intelligent lives out there.
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