Are Libertarians my friend??

[TomMcC]

Are christians my friend?

So let me judge them all by because some of them espoused some ridiculous nonsense. That's like me letting the RINOs define the Republican party and conservatives.

Very disapointed with the CATO institute. I would say at this time the Cato Institute is not a friend of individual freedom. Btw, thanks for flying that story, I just changed my Amazon smile benefit from the Cato Institute to another recipient.

In one sense we are not friends but mortal enemies. We have two diametrically opposed worldviews. The difference is as stark as life and death. On the other hand I could be the best friend you ever had, I love you enough to tell you the truth.

[TomMcC]

Personally I find a lot of their positions to mirror my own. From what I know of you sir, I would doubt that you would find Libertarian social positions to be much to your liking, though their fiscal and small government ideals you might. Not gonna bash the OP, I know where he stands and I can respect his views even if I don't share a lot of them.

Frankly I'm kind of a fiscally conservative "small L" libertarian to a large degree. I can't get behind the open borders aspect of the L party even if I support more legal, controlled immigration. I also know that there are a lot of real, bad, boogeymen out there in the world and that an isolationist/non interventionist policy is not viable even though I wish it were. Good fences make good neighbors. Same can be said for the rifle by the door. I like a lot of what they say, but those are deal breakers for me. I don't agree with the Republicans all the time either.

I will say that I doubt the big L's would throw the OP "under the bus", but I know they have some dealbreakers in their platform for you as well.

Since the topic is immigration, I'll only say that there is almost nothing socially I agree with libertarianism.

I can agree with libertarianism on the surface when considering the idea of small gov't, but mine and their fundamental ideas of why that idea is good are massively far apart. It's surface agreement only.

[PracticalRifleman]

Libertarians, as in the party, are only the friend of democrats. They are spoilers, they promote a sense of absolutism and believe the world is black and white. They can’t see shades of gray. Many support gun control, abortion, and illegal immigration. That does not sound like it protects the liberty of individual Americans.

So F the Libertarian party.


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[Honu]

Problem today is my view is fallen world non Christian view would be bad people do bad things and any and all THINGS seem to be taken over by folks who are greedy and see the $$$$ in taking over and pulling the rug over some folks is a huge part of todays THINGS that are either old and change or just renamed etc...

[26 Inf]

Btw, thanks for flying that story, I just changed my Amazon smile benefit from the Cato Institute to another recipient.

Sweet Baby James! The CATO institute has been a bastion of bat shit crazy thought for well over a decade. Don't care what their pressers say.

[26 Inf]

Every two to four years I invariably take one of those 'political compass quizzes' quizzes. I always fit within a smallish circle around the center where all four quadrants meet.

Since I also pretty much agree with most of what Rand Paul puts out, and he identifies as a conservative Libertarian, I though maybe that shoe fit. What better way to become acquainted with Libertarian though than to take their magazine 'Reason.'

Well, it only took me a couple issues to figure out, don't care where I land on the 'Political Compass' tests, I'm definitely not a Libertarian. Small 'l' might even be a reach for me.

[Jellybean]

I have never met someone who ID'd as Libertarian (or "Independent" for that matter) who wasn't, once they started talking, just a liberal or leftist who liked guns. I also know people who started out fairly sane and ID'd as Libertarian, who eventually didn't start sliding more and more left.
Granted, just my personal sample of a few, but their running choices/policies for recent presidential elections hasn't changed my mind.
Although, of all the debaters back in 2016, I would have voted for Rand as he seemed to be the only one up there who could address topics with regard to their constitutionality. Of course he got kicked to the wayside fast...

Granted, I don't see Republicans as my 'friend' either so... grain of salt and all that.

[Diamondback]

Every two to four years I invariably take one of those 'political compass quizzes' quizzes. I always fit within a smallish circle around the center where all four quadrants meet.

Since I also pretty much agree with most of what Rand Paul puts out, and he identifies as a conservative Libertarian, I though maybe that shoe fit. What better way to become acquainted with Libertarian though than to take their magazine 'Reason.'

Well, it only took me a couple issues to figure out, don't care where I land on the 'Political Compass' tests, I'm definitely not a Libertarian. Small 'l' might even be a reach for me.

I always thought I was firebreathing hard right, but on that grid I'm just two clicks low and three clicks right.

[SteyrAUG]

Sweet Baby James! The CATO institute has been a bastion of bat shit crazy thought for well over a decade. Don't care what their pressers say.

Yeah...but Heller...which might be more than the NRA has done in the last couple decades.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Libertarianism is a shield for anti-social assholes to use as cover. We get a lot, or had a lot more, of that here in CO when you could kind of be off on your own. State is getting too crowded for that now. Ironically, because of the early adoption of legal weed. Legal weed is part of the explosion in population, which makes Libertarian ideals harder to put in place.

I am a Law and Order Libertarian. I think there should be the least and the most tightly crafted laws that encumber the govt and not the people. That said, follow the damn laws. To many 'Libertarians' are just people that don't want to follow the law, any law. No Beuno. That is where the A-hole angle comes in.

On the idea of L changing current politics, you can't replace something with nothing, or at least overnight. Maybe if the debt gets to a point where things have to radically change, you could get people to agree more to L principles because the free-spending/no-limits govt style issues are clear and that going forward we have to change. Getting people to give up Soc Sec, welfare, the education state, and mil-ind complex is too much in one fell swoop.