Put on your tinfoil, you're gonna need it (ammo shortages not adding up)

[SteyrAUG]

Shot is $1 a round, but that doesn't mean everyone is selling their ammo at $1 a round.

People are going to buy from known suppliers before they buy from "some guy named okie" for the same price. Also pmag market is still pretty saturated.

Every time we think we know what is going to be the panic model we are wrong. We stocked up on receivers for 2008 and it ended up being ammo. We really had never seen that before. We are in a "panic" but it's a weird panic because there is lots of product on the secondary market but nothing in stock with the big distributors.

So right now there are 6920s all over Gunbroker at reasonable prices considering the election, the capitol event and the ongoing C19 shit, but if I wanted to order one for myself from any of my wholesalers I still can't get one.

When you start seeing 6920s moving at $2,000 or higher, then it's officially a panic buy. But ammo, yeah everyone is just keeping everything bought out and it will remain a $1 a round until everyone stops buying it at that price and manufacturers and distributors can get caught up. No conspiracy needed.

[okie]

Shot is $1 a round, but that doesn't mean everyone is selling their ammo at $1 a round.

People are going to buy from known suppliers before they buy from "some guy named okie" for the same price. Also pmag market is still pretty saturated.

Every time we think we know what is going to be the panic model we are wrong. We stocked up on receivers for 2008 and it ended up being ammo. We really had never seen that before. We are in a "panic" but it's a weird panic because there is lots of product on the secondary market but nothing in stock with the big distributors.

So right now there are 6920s all over Gunbroker at reasonable prices considering the election, the capitol event and the ongoing C19 shit, but if I wanted to order one for myself from any of my wholesalers I still can't get one.

When you start seeing 6920s moving at $2,000 or higher, then it's officially a panic buy. But ammo, yeah everyone is just keeping everything bought out and it will remain a $1 a round until everyone stops buying it at that price and manufacturers and distributors can get caught up. No conspiracy needed.

That's why I listed it for 50% less than what the dealers are charging for it, back when they still had it. People are paying a buck a round for steel from dealers right now.

[ScottsBad]

Shot is $1 a round, but that doesn't mean everyone is selling their ammo at $1 a round.

People are going to buy from known suppliers before they buy from "some guy named okie" for the same price. Also pmag market is still pretty saturated.

Every time we think we know what is going to be the panic model we are wrong. We stocked up on receivers for 2008 and it ended up being ammo. We really had never seen that before. We are in a "panic" but it's a weird panic because there is lots of product on the secondary market but nothing in stock with the big distributors.

So right now there are 6920s all over Gunbroker at reasonable prices considering the election, the capitol event and the ongoing C19 shit, but if I wanted to order one for myself from any of my wholesalers I still can't get one.

When you start seeing 6920s moving at $2,000 or higher, then it's officially a panic buy. But ammo, yeah everyone is just keeping everything bought out and it will remain a $1 a round until everyone stops buying it at that price and manufacturers and distributors can get caught up. No conspiracy needed.

I don't know, from where I sit in Commiefornia it still looks pretty dang panicky for guns and ammo. I looked night before last. Big retailers are out of ARs and AKs on the West Coast. Rifle Gear (So Cal and Texas stores) was, completely out of everything chambered in .223 AND .308/7.62 NATO.

Bravo Company is out of ALL uppers, all barrels, and all BCGs. Buds Gun Shop all MSRs and AKs out of stock.

Ammo for less than a $1? Forget about it.

It took me a lot of searching to find a 16" chrome lined mid-length barrel (For a late to wake up friend). Crazy.

Fortunately, I'd been stacking for a couple years, so I got a good supply of ammo, parts, and magazines.

Degenerate dementia Joe is coming for magazines too, so make sure you have an excessive number of mags buried in the hills, along with spare rifles and ammo.

[matemike]

What I’m seeing is people are buying from the local vendors at the limited quantities specific to each store. 2 boxes, 5 boxes, whatever it is. Yeah, still a buck a round for the plinking stuff and more for the hd/hp/sd stuff. But the limited quantities are keeping these people’s daily purchases under $100 and they are fine with that. They will buy day after day, as long as it’s in that $100 range.

Give most of these panic buyers (first time owners?) a chance at some bulk ammo; think $500 for a 30 cal can or $1000 for a 50cal can full of M855 and they will all pass. That’s well under a buck a round, but it is out of their personal daily spending limit. Maybe George put them on a daily allowance, haha.

To further this, despite being posted on gun forums and gun group pages only (primarily not first time owners, panic buyers) I have a small lot of 40 cal ammo for for sale for less that $0.50 a round and I have not had one nibble.
$250 for 520

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...-Houston-area)

This is further telling me it’s like people are accustomed to getting little bits at a time. They are probably enjoying the daily rush of finding some availability, slowly building stock, rather than just buying a truck load and being done. They don’t want to be “done.”

[GHMann]

When you start seeing 6920s moving at $2,000 or higher, then it's officially a panic buy. But ammo, yeah everyone is just keeping everything bought out and it will remain a $1 a round until everyone stops buying it at that price and manufacturers and distributors can get caught up. No conspiracy needed.

Well, I did see a Colt CR6920 going for $3409.19 recently. It was at CTD, so maybe that doesn't count.

[Circle_10]

Well, I did see a Colt CR6920 going for $3409.19 recently. It was at CTD, so maybe that doesn't count.

They are still listed at that price. Are actual humans in charge of setting CTD’s pricing or is there some kind of incompetent rogue AI that’s responsible for it? I know CTD has a history of being gougers but that price is so insane it seems like it must be a computer glitch of some kind.

[Arik]

If you're not aware, dealers are now selling pretty much everything for a buck a round. 9mm, buck a round. Cringy steel case .223, buck a round. I couldn't find any real M855 in stock, but word on the street is it's going for 1.50 plus, and sells out within seconds. Fake Korean M855, buck a round.

So as an experiment I posted a little bit of real M855 for $1 a round, in 20 round increments. Armslist, local FB groups, etc. Been up since last night and no takers.

Something doesn't smell right. If people won't pay $1 a round for real M855, then who's paying that for Wolf steel?

And for that matter, what the frack is up with pmags? If people are really buying all this ammo, what are they using to shoot it? Do they all live in Cali and therefore only need one mag?

Now for tinfoil time. A while back, I sold some plates on reddit. The dude who came to get them was classic soy boy leftist looking dude. Like he should have been selling tofu at whole foods or working in a head shop. Bleach blond dreadlocks, the whole nine yards. He also had that weird creepy passively aggressive laid back vibe. I kind of jokingly asked him if he was prepping, and he said no he's getting it to wear at the range because he's afraid of someone accidentally shooting him.

So yea, pretty sure he was antifa or some bullshit like that. Just makes you wonder if all these antifa guys are sitting there with daddy soros's credit card buying up all the ammo they can get their hands on and just straight up don't care what they pay for it. Because it doesn't seem to be our people creating all this demand.

It varies. By state, by region and even by retailer. Last month one store was selling 9 for about 50 cents/round as much as you wanted.

This month they don't have the unlimited supply but what they do sell is still under $1/round for brass. Last week I bought a box of 50 PMC 40sw for $27. Two boxes each of PMC bronze 223 and 556 Xtec for 75 cents/round. That was the max I could buy. They had 9mm but it was reserved for handgun sales.

So just because no one bought from you doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Also, I know I'll be the minority, especially in this current market, but I try to avoid private sales. I just never cared for meeting people and I don't trust the seller.

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[Whalstib]

If you're not aware, dealers are now selling pretty much everything for a buck a round. 9mm, buck a round. Cringy steel case .223, buck a round. I couldn't find any real M855 in stock, but word on the street is it's going for 1.50 plus, and sells out within seconds. Fake Korean M855, buck a round.

So as an experiment I posted a little bit of real M855 for $1 a round, in 20 round increments. Armslist, local FB groups, etc. Been up since last night and no takers.

Something doesn't smell right. If people won't pay $1 a round for real M855, then who's paying that for Wolf steel?

And for that matter, what the frack is up with pmags? If people are really buying all this ammo, what are they using to shoot it? Do they all live in Cali and therefore only need one mag?

Now for tinfoil time. A while back, I sold some plates on reddit. The dude who came to get them was classic soy boy leftist looking dude. Like he should have been selling tofu at whole foods or working in a head shop. Bleach blond dreadlocks, the whole nine yards. He also had that weird creepy passively aggressive laid back vibe. I kind of jokingly asked him if he was prepping, and he said no he's getting it to wear at the range because he's afraid of someone accidentally shooting him.

So yea, pretty sure he was antifa or some bullshit like that. Just makes you wonder if all these antifa guys are sitting there with daddy soros's credit card buying up all the ammo they can get their hands on and just straight up don't care what they pay for it. Because it doesn't seem to be our people creating all this demand.

Sorry....Wrong!

I've been seeing 9mm 50 rounds for $20. Fed. Am. Eagle, Finocchi, Blazer! 5.56 20 rounds $10 Fed. Am. Eagle! Couple weeks ago I got 150 rounds for $89 .45 ACP harder but I was seeing Critical Defense $30 a box of 20 or 25 rnds $25 at one shop. Not the best prices ever but I'm ok with it. Allows me to shoot and restock.

I was reading another thread with a bunch of hair brained ideas like this and it was from 2013!!!! Sky was fallin' then guys! A couple times since!


Here's THE problem! It was in 2013 and is NOW! Jack wagons inciting panic and hoarding ammo. Note a WHOLE lot of gun guys are retired and you can find them lined up at the gun shop EVERY morning when there's an ammo dump!

I read another thread of some jerk wringing his hands because he only had a "few 1000 rounds" and was still buying every round he saw!

Some people are in a better position to snatch up what gets on the shelves..... Now couple Covid and 7 million new gun owners who had no ammo 6 months ago....

[okie]

What I’m seeing is people are buying from the local vendors at the limited quantities specific to each store. 2 boxes, 5 boxes, whatever it is. Yeah, still a buck a round for the plinking stuff and more for the hd/hp/sd stuff. But the limited quantities are keeping these people’s daily purchases under $100 and they are fine with that. They will buy day after day, as long as it’s in that $100 range.

Give most of these panic buyers (first time owners?) a chance at some bulk ammo; think $500 for a 30 cal can or $1000 for a 50cal can full of M855 and they will all pass. That’s well under a buck a round, but it is out of their personal daily spending limit. Maybe George put them on a daily allowance, haha.

To further this, despite being posted on gun forums and gun group pages only (primarily not first time owners, panic buyers) I have a small lot of 40 cal ammo for for sale for less that $0.50 a round and I have not had one nibble.
$250 for 520

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...-Houston-area)

This is further telling me it’s like people are accustomed to getting little bits at a time. They are probably enjoying the daily rush of finding some availability, slowly building stock, rather than just buying a truck load and being done. They don’t want to be “done.”

Oh no, I don't have that much to waste on an experiment. I only posted about 500 rounds total available, and told people they could buy as little as they wanted. Still no takers.

[okie]

Sorry....Wrong!

I've been seeing 9mm 50 rounds for $20. Fed. Am. Eagle, Finocchi, Blazer! 5.56 20 rounds $10 Fed. Am. Eagle! Couple weeks ago I got 150 rounds for $89 .45 ACP harder but I was seeing Critical Defense $30 a box of 20 or 25 rnds $25 at one shop. Not the best prices ever but I'm ok with it. Allows me to shoot and restock.

I was reading another thread with a bunch of hair brained ideas like this and it was from 2013!!!! Sky was fallin' then guys! A couple times since!


Here's THE problem! It was in 2013 and is NOW! Jack wagons inciting panic and hoarding ammo. Note a WHOLE lot of gun guys are retired and you can find them lined up at the gun shop EVERY morning when there's an ammo dump!

I read another thread of some jerk wringing his hands because he only had a "few 1000 rounds" and was still buying every round he saw!

Some people are in a better position to snatch up what gets on the shelves..... Now couple Covid and 7 million new gun owners who had no ammo 6 months ago....

This is quite a bit different, and quite a bit more extreme, than 2013. Sorry, it's just not adding up. People are supposedly buying millions of rounds of Tulammo at .95 cents a round, but nobody wants to pay a buck a round for honest to goodness M855 with sealed primers and the whole nine yards??? Especially considering they're going to try to reclassify it as AP in the next few months? Yea, that's not making any sense to me.

And I swear Magpul has a golden goose that shits pmags.