Did Orwell know, or just coincidence?

**titsonritz** · 01-19-21, 13:43

Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon

ANY student of history, KNOWS what happens to EVERY society & gummint over time.

The problem is... finding STUDENTS of history; and NOT, 'REVISIONISTS' of history.

Pretty much this. Just as our founding fathers knew and understood the evils of man and corruption of power, that is why they spent years arguing over it and created a system with safe guards to help prevent it.

**Kevslatvin** · 01-19-21, 13:44

Originally Posted by Jellybean

Stop accepting and regurgitating the rote "apology-line" brainwashing into legitimacy.

Originally Posted by marco.g

White is traditional commie speech for reactionaries.

They’ve conveniently lumped all anti commies into the white supremacist camp.

For example:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-yo...emacist-groups

Uh. Apology redacted. Apparently I didn't realize I was a WS.

**glocktogo** · 01-19-21, 13:48

Originally Posted by Whiskey_Bravo

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ex-mi...O1uEfiYj-w23vo

Retired Air Force Moe Davis is calling for a domestic war on "sedition" by American terrorist. If you are or were a Trump supporter or a conservative that doesn't roll on your back I am assuming you are a terrorist in his eyes.

I'd call those fighting words!

**okie** · 01-19-21, 14:02

Originally Posted by chuckman

I am not so sure. Within 15 years or so of it being published there were a handful of dystopian novels (Brave New World really being the start of the trend, Animal Farm, Homage to Catalonia, a few others I can't remember), most authors were looking into the Spanish civil war, WWII, the USSR as the driving forces behind them. Orwell, at least nothing I read, showed he was being apocryphal or prophetic.

You don't recognize parallels between 1984 and the cold war???

**chuckman** · 01-19-21, 14:15

Originally Posted by okie

You don't recognize parallels between 1984 and the cold war???

I recognize parallels between 1984 and many things. But to say that I base that on 20/20 hindsight is not the same as saying Orwell based his views as allegories to future conflict or government. Orwell was pretty distrusting of government in general yet at the same time, a socialist (based on his views of the Spanish civil war). He would probably be in favor of some of the things he would see now. In fact, if you read much of Orwell or the authors of his time regarding views of politics and society, it's very easy to see he was writing on contemporary events and problems they could cause. But the fact that he was British and didn't write anything about the US probably does not lend a lot of weight to the argument that he was predicting a US society or government that we see today.

1984 was prophetic only insofar as we make it so, not necessarily because he made it so. People do the same thing now (and for the past 2,000 years) with the book of Revelations.

**okie** · 01-19-21, 15:11

Originally Posted by chuckman

I recognize parallels between 1984 and many things. But to say that I base that on 20/20 hindsight is not the same as saying Orwell based his views as allegories to future conflict or government. Orwell was pretty distrusting of government in general yet at the same time, a socialist (based on his views of the Spanish civil war). He would probably be in favor of some of the things he would see now. In fact, if you read much of Orwell or the authors of his time regarding views of politics and society, it's very easy to see he was writing on contemporary events and problems they could cause. But the fact that he was British and didn't write anything about the US probably does not lend a lot of weight to the argument that he was predicting a US society or government that we see today.

1984 was prophetic only insofar as we make it so, not necessarily because he made it so. People do the same thing now (and for the past 2,000 years) with the book of Revelations.

Well he predicted that the west would use the threat of communism in the east to bring in its own totalitarian state. He also predicted the low key military conflict between the east and west that both sides would use in perpetuity to maintain their control of the people. And the behind the scenes cooperation between the two.

Now I wonder where he might get an idea like that...

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**BoringGuy45** · 01-19-21, 15:32

I think Orwell was less of a prophet and more of a commentator on human nature and the corruption caused by power. As 1984 said, the ultimate goal of power is, simply, power. It wasn’t a novel idea; we’ve had kings, emperors, and dictators for all of written human history and likely before that. Orwell understood, like many of his time and since, that new technology has simply allowed for the power hungry to have new tools to completely control people.

**Mjolnir** · 01-19-21, 16:12

Originally Posted by OH58D

Saul "The Red" Alinsky was born in 1909, and his vision is used as a playbook by Progressives today. Rule #13 in Rules for Radicals:

13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions".

You nailed it; that will be their approach.

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