Page 3 of 11 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 109

Thread: Will Biden's Presidency Be A Catalyst For Secession... Or Worse?

  1. #21
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    15,357
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esq. View Post
    Certainly. And, as I said, its a poor debate tactic relying on a well known and easily understood logical fallacy.
    Based on some peoples experiences, mine included, I believe there are very few reasons for war, but if you go to war, you better be very careful and have a real plan to get in and out with the fewest casualties.
    The army of the 1980's was not ready to fight in the Middle East and pretty much at all levels we won, But WTF did we win? Think about that, because I am thinking our Prize for that was 9/11 and that came directly from radicals in Saudi Arabia.
    So tell me, what exactly did we do about that?
    So I'm just saying having sat on the Highway of death for two weeks after it happened, I still get a little itchy and anxious around sunset. I've seen shit you better pray to Jesus you don't see, or smell, or step in ever again.
    You want to make someone anti war? Have them eat breakfast in a field of rotting corpses, because that fly was on a rotting Iraqi's butt a minute ago, its running through your biskets and gravy right now.
    War sucks and it's a racket that makes some folks very rich.
    Last edited by Averageman; 01-22-21 at 19:09.

  2. #22
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    1,537
    Feedback Score
    16 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esq. View Post
    Much to unpack in that.

    First, I'm NOT a vet and I don't pretend otherwise. It makes no difference whatsoever and is a bullshit place to start such a discussion in my opinion.

    It's often trotted out as a "qualifier" for having an opinion on anything involving politics, societal upheaval, war- without any real discussion of how Exactly it makes any difference. How many vets served in REMF units, in peacetime, never left the US of A-- and NEVER fired a shot in anger- and yet they are somehow arbiters of whether resistance to tyranny etc is warranted?....It's a meaningless attempt to discredit an opinion and I see it as nothing more than the logical fallacy of "appeal to authority".

    Here's what I DO have- Degrees in Political Science and History and Law. I've studied the collapse of many societies due to economics, tyranny, war etc... I'm fairly well traveled- including South Africa, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Most of the former Eastern Block, Mexico, Guatemala, Argentina, most of Western Europe. I've seen dead people lying face down in the gutter covered in flies and their own shit...So don't tell me, "You don't know what it's like outside the U.S.". I damn sure do.

    Peaceful. Is peace the "most important thing"? Yes or no?

    Me, I say no. The Gulags were peaceful. Mass graves are peaceful once the shooting stops etc....I don't accept peace at the price of slavery as a fair exchange. I am a peaceful man, but I absolutely will fight for my God Given rights- and if you can't see or understand that they are currently in grave peril, I cannot help that. I am not praying for war at all. But the problem is that what YOU or I want, doesn't mean a damn thing-- and it never has. Do you think the Tutsi's of Rwanda wanted a "war" ? Did 1 million Cambodians want the Killing Fields? The Ukrainians the Holmodor? What they "wanted" mattered not, nor will it here- we're not that special, history has it's way.

    Further, there are MANY examples of entirely peaceful Secession's in history. Secession, over Civil War, is vastly preferable to me. It's the very last possibility to AVOID a much larger and crippling conflict in my opinion.
    This Post^^^

    Is why M4C needs a "Like" button on the forum.
    Politician's Prefer Unarmed Peasants

  3. #23
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Location
    Former USA
    Posts
    3,134
    Feedback Score
    0
    No. Secession can only occur through a gov process. The only viable solution will be through we the people period. Anything through the government won't work.
    At this point why would anyone think that any practical solutions are going to come through the government? Its a ridiculous notion.
    You won't outvote the corruption.
    Sic Semper Tyrannis

  4. #24
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    397
    Feedback Score
    4 (100%)
    It's my carefully considered opinion that secession would be a disaster. It would have been terrible had CA done it over Trump, it will be rough should some coalition of red states attempt the same in the near future. The legal processes would make Brexit look like getting a driver's license, and the growing power of Chinese hegemony would be waiting with open arms to divide and influence; at this point in history the reduction by division of American power would be disastrous. The splitting of the nation's economy and resources would induce the financial crisis that many of us already suspect we are headed for. The result of a true and serious secession effort would almost certainly end, just as last time, in a bloody civil war complete with all the crippling poverty and atrocity that came with the last one.

    Like many here, I share the desire to live life with the absence of government coercion wherever possible, and the many possible outcomes of statist governance concern me. What concerns me more is a culture that has been trained to blindly accept it. IMO, Constitutional goverment/conservative/libertarian breeds would be better focused on changing the culture for the long term rather than simply going through a divorce.

  5. #25
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Location
    Former USA
    Posts
    3,134
    Feedback Score
    0
    Secession would be like brexit. How many years ago did they vote to brexit and it still hasn't happened. Government
    You won't outvote the corruption.
    Sic Semper Tyrannis

  6. #26
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    33,884
    Feedback Score
    3 (100%)
    Everyone who thinks it's a good idea needs to find and listen to "Global Balkanization" by Ayn Rand.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

    كافر

  7. #27
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    3,272
    Feedback Score
    8 (100%)
    I can see a soft secession and asserting the Tenth Amendment in all matters. Joe bans fracking Texas say F U, Supreme Court rules "YOU MUST OBEY" Texas says F U too. Then I would like to see the Western states eminent domain all the Federal Lands, "Hey Feds you won't let us do anything with it so it's worthless so here's $1 an acre get the F out". Thing is just don't cooperate, tie them up in the courts and ignore bullshit legal rulings and directives, kick Federal agencies out and maybe stop sending money to DC if possible. I don't know how they can do it but productive states need to figure a way to cut off the bailout funding to the shithole dem cities and the green bullshit that is coming.
    “The Trump Doctrine is ‘We’re America, Bitch.’ That’s the Trump Doctrine.”

    "He is free to evade reality, he is free to unfocus his mind and stumble blindly down any road he pleases, but not free to avoid the abyss he refuses to see."

  8. #28
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    440
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    It’s not 1861. Everyone thinks they are a bad ass until they see 25 of their friends get liquified by something dropped from the sky.

    Going to the range in your size 40 wranglers is quite different than getting shot at by someone that actually wants to kill you.

    And there won’t be WiFi either.

  9. #29
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Urban Cessmaze
    Posts
    4,843
    Feedback Score
    25 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by SpecWired View Post
    And there won’t be WiFi either.
    Well I'm ALL broken up over THAT...
    - Either you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution or you're just part of the landscape - Sam (Robert DeNiro) in, "Ronin" -

  10. #30
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Black Hills of S.D.
    Posts
    1,697
    Feedback Score
    3 (100%)
    Worse, bet on it !

Page 3 of 11 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •