Will Biden's Presidency Be A Catalyst For Secession... Or Worse?

[Grand58742]

It’s not 1861. Everyone thinks they are a bad ass until they see 25 of their friends get liquified by something dropped from the sky.

Going to the range in your size 40 wranglers is quite different than getting shot at by someone that actually wants to kill you.

And there won’t be WiFi either.

Yeah, it's way worse than 1861. Back then there were geographical boundaries and loyalty to state over nation. There were some regional differences (West Virginia and East Tennessee come to mind) but by and large, the battle lines were established well in advance.

This time? It'll be in your neighborhood.

[mack7.62]

So we all learn French and become surrender monkey's.

[Dr. Bullseye]

Does anyone here think states and counties will try to secede if Biden goes too far? Is this article off the mark or dead on?

Or do you think it's all over, the gun/ammo bans will be permanent, anyone close to major population centres will be enslaved and only self sufficient people in remote rural areas will be sort of free and left alone?


Will Biden's Presidency Be A Catalyst For Secession... Or Worse?

"if Biden goes too"???? What is far enough for you.

Fondling other people's children in public
Fondling other people's wives in public.
Raping a woman.
Wiretapping Trump illegally.
Plotting to overthrow Trump (treason).
Taking bribes in Ukraine.
Taking bribes in China.
Rigging an election.

The Traitor doesn't need to "go" he is there.

"Or Worse"??? OP, what is worse than this? Secession is nothing compared to life with this guy. Civil War would be even better. A sudden nuclear strike on Washington D.C. with no survivors would be entertaining for a week.

[FriendlyStranger]

What three letter agency does the OP work for again?

What's being talked about here is how feasible secession is and the article mentions defence.

The gov will be doing the attacking when the people don't comply with their authoritarian laws and policies.

[FriendlyStranger]

Like many here, I share the desire to live life with the absence of government coercion wherever possible, and the many possible outcomes of statist governance concern me. What concerns me more is a culture that has been trained to blindly accept it. IMO, Constitutional goverment/conservative/libertarian breeds would be better focused on changing the culture for the long term rather than simply going through a divorce.

The problem is you can't change a Liberal's mind no matter how hard you try. I don't think a commie boot crushing their balls will break them out of the mental prison they're in.

You'd have to gain control of the schools in Liberal cities to create a new generation of patriots which will take 10-20 years and you'd have to start now. I don't think that can happen without control of the federal government. Trump was going to do it but that's now off the table.

Conservative enclaves perhaps?

I can see a soft secession and asserting the Tenth Amendment in all matters. Joe bans fracking Texas say F U, Supreme Court rules "YOU MUST OBEY" Texas says F U too. Then I would like to see the Western states eminent domain all the Federal Lands, "Hey Feds you won't let us do anything with it so it's worthless so here's $1 an acre get the F out". Thing is just don't cooperate, tie them up in the courts and ignore bullshit legal rulings and directives, kick Federal agencies out and maybe stop sending money to DC if possible. I don't know how they can do it but productive states need to figure a way to cut off the bailout funding to the shithole dem cities and the green bullshit that is coming.

So basically state/county autonomy while keeping the union intact? Is that a possibility?

How do you keep federal agents out?

[Straight Shooter]

Much to unpack in that.

First, I'm NOT a vet and I don't pretend otherwise. It makes no difference whatsoever and is a bullshit place to start such a discussion in my opinion.

It's often trotted out as a "qualifier" for having an opinion on anything involving politics, societal upheaval, war- without any real discussion of how Exactly it makes any difference. How many vets served in REMF units, in peacetime, never left the US of A-- and NEVER fired a shot in anger- and yet they are somehow arbiters of whether resistance to tyranny etc is warranted?....It's a meaningless attempt to discredit an opinion and I see it as nothing more than the logical fallacy of "appeal to authority".

Here's what I DO have- Degrees in Political Science and History and Law. I've studied the collapse of many societies due to economics, tyranny, war etc... I'm fairly well traveled- including South Africa, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Most of the former Eastern Block, Mexico, Guatemala, Argentina, most of Western Europe. I've seen dead people lying face down in the gutter covered in flies and their own shit...So don't tell me, "You don't know what it's like outside the U.S.". I damn sure do.

Peaceful. Is peace the "most important thing"? Yes or no?

Me, I say no. The Gulags were peaceful. Mass graves are peaceful once the shooting stops etc....I don't accept peace at the price of slavery as a fair exchange. I am a peaceful man, but I absolutely will fight for my God Given rights- and if you can't see or understand that they are currently in grave peril, I cannot help that. I am not praying for war at all. But the problem is that what YOU or I want, doesn't mean a damn thing-- and it never has. Do you think the Tutsi's of Rwanda wanted a "war" ? Did 1 million Cambodians want the Killing Fields? The Ukrainians the Holmodor? What they "wanted" mattered not, nor will it here- we're not that special, history has it's way.

Further, there are MANY examples of entirely peaceful Secession's in history. Secession, over Civil War, is vastly preferable to me. It's the very last possibility to AVOID a much larger and crippling conflict in my opinion.

Greatest smack down EVER.
I too, HATE that being a "vet". .and I'm a proud United States Marine, means you are instantly qualified to teach firearms and shooting or hunting, and you know more about the Constitution and politics than everyone else. BULLSHIT.
I too...PRAY for a split. I too..LONG to let DEMONRATS live in the the cesspools they've created WITHOUT MY TAX MONEY AND LABOR SUPPORTING IT.
We will NEVER unite again. I sure as hell won't. I don't believe in ANYTHING those goblins want.

[pag23]

What's being talked about here is how feasible secession is and the article mentions defence.

The gov will be doing the attacking when the people don't comply with their authoritarian laws and policies.

Hmmm ok

[PracticalRifleman]

Greatest smack down EVER.
I too, HATE that being "vet". .and I'm a proud United States Marine, means you are instantly qualified to teach firearms and shooting or hunting, and you know more about the Constitution and politics than everyone else. BULLSHIT.
I too...PRAY for a split. I too..LONG to let DEMONRAT live the the cesspools they've created WITHOUT MY TAX MONEY AND LABOR SUPPORTING IT.
We will NEVER unite again. I sure as hell won't. I don't believe in ANYTHING those goblins want.

If you find a liberal vet, and he’s for gun control, that means “expert opinion” and it’s plastered all over the news when stuff comes up.


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[Straight Shooter]

If you find a liberal vet, and he’s for gun control, that means “expert opinion” and it’s plastered all over the news when stuff comes up.


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Ive definately seen that more than a few times...but the other 10,000's opinions dont mean shit.

[Straight Shooter]

The problem is you can't change a Liberal's mind no matter how hard you try. I don't think a commie boot crushing their balls will break them out of the mental prison they're in.

You'd have to gain control of the schools in Liberal cities to create a new generation of patriots which will take 10-20 years and you'd have to start now. I don't think that can happen without control of the federal government. Trump was going to do it but that's now off the table.

Conservative enclaves perhaps?



So basically state/county autonomy while keeping the union intact? Is that a possibility?

How do you keep federal agents out?

I have NO desire to change a liberal/leftist/communists/socialists mind at all. I have a DEEP, BURNING desire for them to experiance great physical pain & suffering each time they try to make me bend to their will. When theyve felt enough, & KNOW that every time they try to force certain people to do their bidding great pain, bodily harm or death will happen- that shit will stop ASAP. Until they experiance consequences, this left wing mess will continue.
How do you keep Federal Agents out? See above.