Will Biden's Presidency Be A Catalyst For Secession... Or Worse?

[chuckman]

I guess that depends on if it's "official" secession or an unofficial one, i.e. there are states or areas that refuse to enforce Federal laws (like gun laws as an example). I could easily see that happening. "Secession Lite" is what you could call it.

As far as "official" secession, although less likely I could picture a time when a loose confederation of states being mostly autonomous ends up being the compromise. Might not be a bad idea either as opposed to a complete breakdown like the former Soviet Union ended up doing.

See my post above. I think like what happened in the Balkans and to some extent the former Soviet states could occur; I just don't think it will.

[ABNAK]

See my post above. I think like what happened in the Balkans and to some extent the former Soviet states could occur; I just don't think it will.

Like I said in my post, your Balkans scenario isn't nearly as likely as ....there are states or areas that refuse to enforce Federal laws (like gun laws as an example). I could easily see that happening. "Secession Lite" is what you could call it.


There has to be SOME bucking of Federal overreach, just what mechanism to get there. I don't want a complete breakdown like the USSR had; they are a shadow of their former selves. I think we'll always be stronger, both militarily and economically, somewhat tied together. That said, if the Left wants total and unequivocal control then decentralizing power to some extent will be a must in order to avoid a USSR-type situation.

The Left cannot marginalize, accuse, and persecute 75+ MILLION (and I suspect it's much larger than that) mostly armed citizens. That is a HUGE chunk to bite off and try to chew on. Not saying they aren't stupid enough to try but it will not work like they think it will.

[Alex V]

Someone posted an article a while back about what a new Civil War would be like, if I recall the Cliff Notes were that it won't be Gettysburg, it will just be targeted attacks on opposition leaders, political or otherwise.

It’s not 1861. Everyone thinks they are a bad ass until they see 25 of their friends get liquified by something dropped from the sky.

Going to the range in your size 40 wranglers is quite different than getting shot at by someone that actually wants to kill you.

And there won’t be WiFi either.

Well I'm ALL broken up over THAT...

Im sure PornHub will run fine on 5G.

[ABNAK]

Someone posted an article a while back about what a new Civil War would be like, if I recall the Cliff Notes were that it won't be Gettysburg, it will just be targeted attacks on opposition leaders, political or otherwise.

Correct, it would not be Gettysburg II. Pretty much what you said.

[Averageman]

Correct, it would not be Gettysburg II. Pretty much what you said.

That's the way I always thought it would go down.
Not the time to be a talking liberal head Ken doll for CNN going out on assignment to the oil fields is it?

[chuckman]

Like I said in my post, your Balkans scenario isn't nearly as likely as ....there are states or areas that refuse to enforce Federal laws (like gun laws as an example). I could easily see that happening. "Secession Lite" is what you could call it.


There has to be SOME bucking of Federal overreach, just what mechanism to get there. I don't want a complete breakdown like the USSR had; they are a shadow of their former selves. I think we'll always be stronger, both militarily and economically, somewhat tied together. That said, if the Left wants total and unequivocal control then decentralizing power to some extent will be a must in order to avoid a USSR-type situation.

The Left cannot marginalize, accuse, and persecute 75+ MILLION (and I suspect it's much larger than that) mostly armed citizens. That is a HUGE chunk to bite off and try to chew on. Not saying they aren't stupid enough to try but it will not work like they think it will.

That's not even secession Light. That's just farting around with a bunch of threats and lawsuits.

Balkanization isn't just a theory; we're living it: the south is radically different than the northeast which is radically different than the west coast. Different culture, different economies. Hell, some part of the south don't even speak English. We've split ourselves into regions decades ago.

I do not think there is a middle ground. The federal government, much to Hamilton's pure delight, owns the states. 200+ years of slippery slope erosions has seen to it. It will either be status quo, or extraordinary civil war, no in between. The federal government will never cede any power to the states, taken from the states.

[ABNAK]

That's not even secession Light. That's just farting around with a bunch of threats and lawsuits.

Balkanization isn't just a theory; we're living it: the south is radically different than the northeast which is radically different than the west coast. Different culture, different economies. Hell, some part of the south don't even speak English. We've split ourselves into regions decades ago.

I do not think there is a middle ground. The federal government, much to Hamilton's pure delight, owns the states. 200+ years of slippery slope erosions has seen to it. It will either be status quo, or extraordinary civil war, no in between. The federal government will never cede any power to the states, taken from the states.

Well that sets up a bit of a conundrum, no?

[chuckman]

Well that sets up a bit of a conundrum, no?

It does, especially with "sanctuary this" and "sanctuary that." Don't get me wrong: I'd love to see it happen. I am am not just a small-government guy, I see government from the perspective of a libertarian (last week I told a building inspector he had 10 seconds to put on a face mask or get off my property and come back with a negative COVID test). I just see the reality of it.

States will do 'this', the feds counter with lawsuits or cut off funding, the states sue, it may or may not end up at SCOTUS, back and forth, back and forth, like a tennis match.

[okie]

I really didn't think the powers that be would put Biden in office. And since they have, that indicates they're taking a burn all bridges approach to how they're going to deal with the middle class in terms of destroying this country. So balkanization doesn't strike me as out of the question. It would be much easier to subjugate this country and remove its roadblock to globalism if it were divided into smaller parts.

One thing to keep in mind is that the government is pretty much out of credit. All the things the federal government does in terms of services they provide are about to go bankrupt, so states aren't going to much care what they say going into the future because there won't be any incentive, and the federal government won't have the resources to enforce anything. So I wouldn't necessarily assume a violent breakup, but maybe more just a flaccid and inept federal government with states pretty much ignoring them and doing their own thing. The first thing you would probably see is neighboring states making treaties with each other to fill the vacuum.

[Esq.]

That's the way I always thought it would go down.
Not the time to be a talking liberal head Ken doll for CNN going out on assignment to the oil fields is it?

I don't think they understand when the derrick man hits the Geronimo Line that it's time to leave....Lol...