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    What politicians say is meaningless. Party distinctions are BS. They are two wings of one crime syndicate designed to keep us in the dark and fighting with each other.

    As to conservatives or liberals, well it is my contention that labels may change but mentalities do not. i.e. - The rebel founders of our country were not conservative about their politics and the establishment that they rebelled against was not a liberal one.

    Here's another one - The people who pushed for civil rights in the 50s/60s were not conservative. The people who resisted were.

    Like John Wayne said - He always thought of himself as a liberal, until others labeled him to the contrary.

    Terminology (definitions) matters, eras not so much.
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    Belief in individual rights, individual responsibility, and the Constitution. This makes big government and big government intrusions unnecessary and the enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    A conservative is someone who believes in small government, fiscal restraint, providing for the common defense and enabling (not providing) equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. Most of all, a conservative is someone who believes the Constitution is supposed to mean exactly what it says and is not to be "interpreted" with a modern touch. If you want it to mean something different than what it says, then you must change it ONLY in accordance with the methods it states.

    A Republican is someone who foolishly believes the GOP stands for any of the above.
    Yeah, I'd say that about sums it up.

    Of course, with the number of people who have abandoned the Democrat party in the past few years (#WalkAway comes to mind) we are now seeing an influx of people new to the Republican party and I'm not entirely convinced it's such a great thing.

    These new "R" voters are self labeling themselves as conservatives and pushing for policies that are anything but "conservative". I'm afraid we're going to see a major shift internally and the conservative movement itself will be nothing more than Leftist Lite in the next few years. In a lot of ways I think we're already there. Hell, look at Tulsi Gabbard and the amount of "conservative" and/or Republican attention she's gained as of late. If you actually read her policies she's no different than any of the other Democrats, but she's playing the smart game up the middle and saying what people want to hear to garnish "Republican" attention for furure endeavors.

    I'd really like a new "Constitutional" party of sorts to form, but I'm not sure it would be much good at this point.



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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post

    A Republican is someone who foolishly believes the GOP stands for any of the above.
    This. The fact that SteyrAUG somehow conflated Republican and Conservatism shows a fundamental problem with *that* generation. Republicans are the party of the MIC and big energy just like how the Dems are the party of big tech, finance and media. They are the two boots of the Establishment stomping on your face...forever until something changes.

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    RINOcrats & demtardcrats - two sides of the same DC cocktail party.
    - Either you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution or you're just part of the landscape - Sam (Robert DeNiro) in, "Ronin" -

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    The world is too populated for conservatism to exist. When you have a dense population, you have socialism. This is the world we live in.

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    Republicans and "Conservatives" are defined by their contentedness with losing on almost every issue. That is my honest opinion.
    "I don't just want gun rights... I want individual liberty, a culture of self-reliance....I want the whole bloody thing." - Kim du Toit

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    A conservative is someone who believes in small government, fiscal restraint, providing for the common defense and enabling (not providing) equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. Most of all, a conservative is someone who believes the Constitution is supposed to mean exactly what it says and is not to be "interpreted" with a modern touch. If you want it to mean something different than what it says, then you must change it ONLY in accordance with the methods it states.

    A Republican is someone who foolishly believes the GOP stands for any of the above.
    To me, that is exactly the way I see it. I know I used to be more liberal, more “giving” if you will. Then I realized that the gov’t teat was attractive for people to be latched on and there is no weaning. If I can’t buy a house and evict a tenant that’s there because of Section 8 and county laws regarding that, I have a serious problem with government overreach. When I saw my self employed parents suddenly paying 3x what they used to for “mandatory” healthcare insurance I have a serious problem with overreach. And the final straw was some girl I know getting an abortion and her health insurance covers it as “normal” healthcare I get PISSED. I don’t care if somebody loses a job and needs some help for a little bit. I don’t care if someone gets an abortion, and I don’t care if a vet needs medical care for life due to injuries. But I don’t think I should pay for the damn abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KUSA View Post
    The world is too populated for conservatism to exist. When you have a dense population, you have socialism. This is the world we live in.
    Everyone in the whole world could easily fit inside of New Jersey. It's not the amount of people that's the problem, it's the quality of people, especially at the top, that's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    This. The fact that SteyrAUG somehow conflated Republican and Conservatism shows a fundamental problem with *that* generation. Republicans are the party of the MIC and big energy just like how the Dems are the party of big tech, finance and media. They are the two boots of the Establishment stomping on your face...forever until something changes.
    So first off, I put them up with a distinction because not everyone consideres Republicans to be Conservatives or vice versa. And it was a question, not a statement.

    But that said, IF the Republican party is no longer representative of conservative values (both political and social), then who is?
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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