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Thread: Your Country is GONE. Proof? DC Green Zone Proposal by Pelosi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskey_Bravo View Post
    I don't know man. You start taking away peoples ability to work because they have been canceled you can get somebody that has run out of ****s. You do that to my wife or my child, a person could run out of ****s to give pretty quick.

    I understand who I am speaking with so I know you know the history much better than I do but I think we have come a long way from newly "free" Kulaks that had no sense of defending themselves or actual freedom. You push people far enough and I think given current knowledge and available tools some(obviously not even the majority) will decide enough is enough.

    Don't get me wrong, I am fairly pessimistic when it comes to our stomach for defending the amazing freedom we have been living but I like to think(or at least hope) there are some backbones somewhere out there.
    Pretty much this.

    Every society has its "line in the sand" so to speak. We are no longer creeping toward that line, but are now in a full blown sprint for it.

    I know that words are secondary to actions, and it gets old hearing the same old "Just wait, you'll see! People are going to rise up!" That you hear every now and again from those that talk way more than actually contribute anything of worth.. but..

    I have never heard normal, hard working, self sufficient people say the things out loud like I am hearing them say today, on a daily basis. Not even close.

    People who just wanted to be left alone and be allowed to build their own success are PISSED. The most determined, hard working, intelligent portion of society is at or near their breaking point now.

    We are a ship with no captain headed for the rocks. What that wreck looks like is anyone's guess..





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    Quote Originally Posted by utahjeepr View Post
    I spent 8 years in the Corps. I know how to break things. I have spent the last 20 building civil infrastructure, so I know what is best to break and where it is vulnerable. I am FAR from unique, nor am I anywhere near the top of the "dangerous" list.

    Just how far do they think they can push before the S hits the fan? Time will tell. I'm a long way from my personal "line in the sand" but...
    You write as if you believe the people doing the pushing care if this nation survives at all. If S really and truly kicks off they will all evacuate to a private island under mercenary guard and watch the former US of A burn to the ground, presumably gloating.

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    The line in the sand is financial. When "they" start nationalizing 401K's for more equitable distributions for "all", is when hell will break loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esq. View Post
    Nancy Pelosi wants to essentially make DC into a Green Zone just like in Baghdad. The "Capital City" will become a fortified compound where your betters live without fear of the smelly, grubby, little people.


    https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-says-m...185404592.html
    The image of what our country was (or we thought it was) is gone. And yet here we are...What does this death leave us with? Perhaps it can point us towards all that we really had all along...
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    Time to build our own Pineland?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    I agree. Many MILLIONS of homes with an AR15 or AK in them, this will get spicy fast.
    Nobody did shit in 1994. They passed a ban that was designed to eliminate an entire class of firearms. It was only ingenuity on the part of manufacturers that led to "ban compliant" versions. For 10 years you couldn't have a flash hider, a collapsible stock that actually functioned or bayonet lugs and people dutifully complied with that nonsense. Even when Janet Reno had a childrens barbeque at Waco nobody did anything...well almost nobody.

    A couple "patriots" guided by The Turner Diaries attempted to spark Civil War 2.0 but all they really did was blow up a bunch of people who were lucky enough to secure government jobs and they whacked out a day care in the process. They also managed to be the idiots who made any "militia" group synonymous with "white supremacist" groups because the Turner Diaries were a racist fantasy written by the founder of Aryan Nations.

    You literally had people posting their "ban compliant" M4 rifles on the internet with Molon Labe engraved on the receiver. It was pathetic. The only people that might strike out this time, will again be the extremists who we really won't want to identify with and that will set us back 3 or 4 steps from where we began depending upon how many kids they manage to kill inadvertently.

    We endured 10 years of that nonsense. The only upside is the rules became so complicated they were virtually unenforceable, builds became popular and as a result the person who used to "buy a gun" instead ended up with an armorers knowledge of AR-15 pattern rifles and a cottage industry of 922r builds via US made receivers on foreign parts kits sprang up which offered low cost AKs, FALs and several other former exotics.

    But at the same time, there are still people in "ban states" trying to get along with 10 round blocked magazines and bullet button setups on their home defense rifles. Maybe if that becomes the law of the land nationwide it might be enough to make people do something, but probably they will just come up with some new way to satisfy the letter of the law and make some other neutered version of the rifle we actually wished we could still buy.

    We will continue to play word games with ATF with bump stocks, arm braces, binary triggers, etc. and they will allow it until they don't allow it and they will publish some new determination letter and that will be that for the most part. Last time we pushed back hard was arm braces fer gods sake. The only winning move it to specifically target the "sporter clause" within the 1968 GCA, which is what gives them the power to legislate by decree and determination letter, without the need of any congressional approval...but good luck getting most of the people with their Core-15 rifle to fully understand that let alone do anything about it.

    Given the fact that what we might be hearing is the death rattle of the NRA, one would think they'd go full tilt "nothing to lose at this point" ILA offensive. But that doesn't seem to be happening either. What I wouldn't give to have another Neal Knox or Aaron Zelman taking point on this issue but they are gone and I don't see capable successors.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepare View Post
    The image of what our country was (or we thought it was) is gone. And yet here we are...What does this death leave us with? Perhaps it can point us towards all that we really had all along...
    Change is natures default.
    Ironically, had Trump suggested the exact same thing four months ago, we might have gotten the civil war.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esq. View Post
    I keep saying it over and over. Balkanization is the BEST hope we have. The rest is either outright full blown Civil War, IRA style Dirty War, or absolute submission complete with Gulags, Re Education and death camps. I've said it for 20 years and for 19.5 of those 99% of people looked at me like I had a giant Pecker growing out of my forehead......

    You HAVE seen it before because there is nothing new under the sun. I've seen the signs for a long time- subtle shifts in language, messaging etc.....It lead directly to where we find ourselves now.
    We are headed in the direction of all the above.
    You won't outvote the corruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex V View Post
    LULZ, no it won't. How much more proof do you need that all those mullions are just pussies? All of us included.
    That’s exactly what I’ve been saying. Nothing but a bunch of big hard talking keyboard warriors in the country. In the end, we will all just lay down and take it.

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    Most of the folks here in the USA have too much too lose to just give up everything and go fight. Careers, families, houses, porsches, island vacations etc. The 1994-2004 AWB was complied with as someone else said. Throw in the distractions of the internet, kids, malls, debt relief and once again, people will comply. Only once a populace is pushed to the point of nothing left to lose will you see more than just keyboard rhetoric and mouthpiece blathering. There is always tomorrow, next week.....next month......next year.....

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