PVS-14s, spend my (limited) budget

**Grendelshooter** · 02-06-21, 21:18

I have a couple of thermal rifle scopes and now want to add NV to my little stash.
Ideally, 2-3 PVS-14s. Would do a bino setup but I’d like to have the basics for a couple of people instead.
My last experience was with Army infantry line-issue PVS-14s from 2001-2008. Basic stuff but was plenty good for how we used them.
So if I was looking for 10 year old Pvs-14 level tech what am I looking for? What’s a good, solid, middle of the road monocular? Around the $3k mark.

**utahjeepr** · 02-07-21, 08:43

Look up. See the JRH ad up there? Call.

**Grendelshooter** · 02-07-21, 08:56

No, as blocker and VPN makes me see no ads anywhere, but I will check out JRH!

**Manofmayhem** · 02-07-21, 20:04

https://www.jrhenterprises.com/Photo...14ECHOspec.htm

I just ordered this tube. Best bang for the buck and just under 3k.

**Grendelshooter** · 02-08-21, 07:12

Originally Posted by Manofmayhem

https://www.jrhenterprises.com/Photo...14ECHOspec.htm

I just ordered this tube. Best bang for the buck and just under 3k.

It’s between that one and this one for me right now

https://www.jrhenterprises.com/PVS14...sion-PVS14.htm

I don’t mind green phosphor coloring (or the extra couple hundred bucks) if the image is noticeably better, but availability is the question I suppose.

What did they tell you the lead time is on yours?

**Lowdown3** · 02-08-21, 07:27

Hey guys, thanks for your interest and business.

Currently we are quoting 4 weeks on new Photonis Echo spec WP PVS14 orders. They are shipping a little quicker than that however, averaging just over 2 weeks. So that's currently (2/8/21 for those reading later) the quickest option in the NV world right now.

The green phosphor 1900 fom model is going to take a little longer than that, figure 8 weeks, possibly less.

I'm a big fan of Echo spec units and have been for years, but either model will serve you well. Both have a 10 year warranty, all standard accessories, manual gain control and are autogated.

Either ones you choose, we do NOT charge your card until the order is ready to ship, so your not out a penny till it's on it's way to you.

Make sure you ask for an M4 carbine discount when you order!

robert@jrhenterprises.com
is my direct email if you have any questions feel free to email or call.

**Grendelshooter** · 02-08-21, 11:20

Originally Posted by Lowdown3

Hey guys, thanks for your interest and business.

Currently we are quoting 4 weeks on new Photonis Echo spec WP PVS14 orders. They are shipping a little quicker than that however, averaging just over 2 weeks. So that's currently (2/8/21 for those reading later) the quickest option in the NV world right now.

The green phosphor 1900 fom model is going to take a little longer than that, figure 8 weeks, possibly less.

I'm a big fan of Echo spec units and have been for years, but either model will serve you well. Both have a 10 year warranty, all standard accessories, manual gain control and are autogated.

Either ones you choose, we do NOT charge your card until the order is ready to ship, so your not out a penny till it's on it's way to you.

Make sure you ask for an M4 carbine discount when you order!

robert@jrhenterprises.com
is my direct email if you have any questions feel free to email or call.

In your opinion is there a truly noticeable difference in image quality between the echo WP set and the green fom 1900 I was looking at?

**Lowdown3** · 02-08-21, 12:44

A pic of a green 1900 fom and an (older) WP Echo spec PVS14

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Angle was slightly different but you get the idea. Same night, pics taken minutes apart. At our range in the middle of the GA swamps- no ambient lighting around, nearest street light is about a mile away.

**okie** · 02-08-21, 12:51

Originally Posted by Grendelshooter

In your opinion is there a truly noticeable difference in image quality between the echo WP set and the green fom 1900 I was looking at?

I have zero experience with the Echo line (full disclosure), but the differences between white and green aren't really about image quality. It's about how the eye and brain process the information. The eye is able to see contrast more easily with the white. If you look at two images of white and green side by side, the difference really jumps out at you. If you sit there and study the green image you'll notice that the image quality is the same, but in an overall sense it's difficult to make out individual objects unless you focus in on those areas and really study the borders between the light and the dark. So with the white you're not only able to pick up on distinct objects faster, you get a better sense of depth perception.

Also keep in mind that FOM ratings aren't linear in terms of how you're going to perceive the quality. Like double the FOM doesn't equal double the resolution in terms of how you see it. If you looked at a tube with a FOM of 1800 and one with 2000, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. If you jack it up to like 2500, then you can tell the difference under specific circumstances. Mainly it has to do with being able to detect objects at a lower light threshold. But like I said, it's not linear. You have to jack the FOM way up to get a tangible advantage.

Whereas the advantage you get from white phosphor is going to be there no matter what, even if the FOM is a few hundred less. And FOM isn't even the whole story. EBI is also really important. And the higher the FOM, the rarer it is to see a really low EBI. So you could get a tube with an 1800 FOM that had a .1 EBI and compare it to one with a 2500 FOM and an EBI of 1, and maybe the 1800 tube would actually give you more object detection. Those numbers are arbitrary, mind you, but I just want to illustrate that it's possible, and even probable, to have super high FOM with a worst case EBI, which is a common reason you might see a high FOM tube in a lower tier line. Just as it's common to see mid range FOM with really stellar EBI.