Want a PCC, PTR 9C vs B&T GHM-9

[Magsz]

Price is mostly why I never gave the MPX much thought. Plus aren’t the magazines like stupid expensive too? I’m a guy who likes to have at least 10+ mags per gun.
Even the pretty pricey GHM9 is still cheaper than the MPX and the Glock lower variant at least uses a mag I already have a literal pile of.

Everything you said is absolutely right on the money, har, pun intended.

Having said that, if you really want a PCC that will perform, the MPX is where you want to be. This thing shoots like nothing else i've ever shot and i've got a fair amount of experience with the mp5 platform which is arguably the "best" shooting 9mm platform out there.

My 4.5 inch MPX with a nested Dead Air Wolfman is so soft shooting that sometimes I wonder if the damn gun is malfunctioning. Besides issues with the factory Timney trigger, the gun has been absolutely 100% reliable in ALOT of rounds. The Timney trigger has since been replaced and this thing just chugs along and eats anything.

The only real downside to the mpx is the weight, the relative large size of it and the fact that the whole package is somewhat expensive. Magazines can be found for 55 dollars a piece.

If you can get past all of that, seriously man, the gun is an absurd amount of fun. If you've never shot one you really need to find one and give it a whirl.

[Circle_10]

Everything you said is absolutely right on the money, har, pun intended.

Having said that, if you really want a PCC that will perform, the MPX is where you want to be. This thing shoots like nothing else i've ever shot and i've got a fair amount of experience with the mp5 platform which is arguably the "best" shooting 9mm platform out there.

My 4.5 inch MPX with a nested Dead Air Wolfman is so soft shooting that sometimes I wonder if the damn gun is malfunctioning. Besides issues with the factory Timney trigger, the gun has been absolutely 100% reliable in ALOT of rounds. The Timney trigger has since been replaced and this thing just chugs along and eats anything.

The only real downside to the mpx is the weight, the relative large size of it and the fact that the whole package is somewhat expensive. Magazines can be found for 55 dollars a piece.

If you can get past all of that, seriously man, the gun is an absurd amount of fun. If you've never shot one you really need to find one and give it a whirl.

I don’t doubt it’s a great gun, I have heard that a lot. It’s just too expensive. As in, I literally can’t afford one, just like with the SP5, which I would buy in a second if I had the funds to spend.
Something that takes Glock mags would be nice, which is why I have been kinda toying with getting that version of the GHM9. But that’s still a lot of money for me. Honestly though it’s probably going to be either Scorpion or Stribog for me and even then I’ll still probably have to put the thing on layaway. Although I better make the decision soon so I can start buying mags in advance of when I actually get the gun in hand.

[Eurodriver]

I don’t doubt it’s a great gun, I have heard that a lot. It’s just too expensive. As in, I literally can’t afford one, just like with the SP5, which I would buy in a second if I had the funds to spend.
Something that takes Glock mags would be nice, which is why I have been kinda toying with getting that version of the GHM9. But that’s still a lot of money for me. Honestly though it’s probably going to be either Scorpion or Stribog for me and even then I’ll still probably have to put the thing on layaway. Although I better make the decision soon so I can start buying mags in advance of when I actually get the gun in hand.

I didn’t want to jump on the SP5 bandwagon but I’m glad I did. They beat B&T in every way


https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...ream-gun-MP5SD

[Circle_10]

I didn’t want to jump on the SP5 bandwagon but I’m glad I did. They beat B&T in every way


https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...ream-gun-MP5SD

Just a regular old “MP5A2” style SP5 SBR would be my dream PCC. When I was a teenager I was really enamored with the “K” but as I grew up I kinda shifted my interest more toward the standard length model, and that being the variant I’ve actually fired probably helped that as well.
I’m kind of eying a PCC for actual practical purposes though - namely indoor HD to mostly supplant the 5.56 AR that currently fills that role - so my decision making process is kind of more rooted in trying to strike the right balance between affordability and quality/track record.

[Eurodriver]

Just a regular old “MP5A2” style SP5 SBR would be my dream PCC. When I was a teenager I was really enamored with the “K” but as I grew up I kinda shifted my interest more toward the standard length model, and that being the variant I’ve actually fired probably helped that as well.
I’m kind of eying a PCC for actual practical purposes though - namely indoor HD to mostly supplant the 5.56 AR that currently fills that role - so my decision making process is kind of more rooted in trying to strike the right balance between affordability and quality/track record.

The K is neat but I didn’t like it. Not sure why. Maybe if I could have suppressed it (the PDW version accepts this) I would have kept it. It would be a great HD gun

[Circle_10]

The K is neat but I didn’t like it. Not sure why. Maybe if I could have suppressed it (the PDW version accepts this) I would have kept it. It would be a great HD gun

If I had a K I’d want the shoulder rig setup....just ‘cuz.. From what I’ve seen the rigs can be used with a full sized MP5 also....but it’s just not the same, heh.
I’d also honestly like a SBR clone of a Colt 635 or the newer 6991/991. Although while I don’t really hear much bad about Colts 9mm SMGs and carbines I also kind of get the impression they aren’t quite as good as the competition either. The story is that Colt never really invested a lot of effort into totally developing and perfecting the design.

Reality is steering my choice toward the CZ Scorpion though.

[jhr1986]

Thanks for the info guys; I’ve decided to wait to see if I can find an SP5 at MSRP, I think long term I’d be happier with the genuine article. I found one for $4000 but it just isn’t worth that to me, if I never get one it isn’t the end of the world.

[Dcr5595]

Keep an eye out on palmetto state for an Sp5 - I just picked up another for $2999 a week ago.


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[SteyrAUG]

If I had a K I’d want the shoulder rig setup....just ‘cuz.. From what I’ve seen the rigs can be used with a full sized MP5 also....but it’s just not the same, heh.
I’d also honestly like a SBR clone of a Colt 635 or the newer 6991/991. Although while I don’t really hear much bad about Colts 9mm SMGs and carbines I also kind of get the impression they aren’t quite as good as the competition either. The story is that Colt never really invested a lot of effort into totally developing and perfecting the design.

Reality is steering my choice toward the CZ Scorpion though.

There is nothing wrong with the Colt 9mm beyond the fact that roller locked will always be smoother than blowback and MP5 magazines are vastly superior to Uzi type magazines.

The K/PDW doesn't buy you much that a full size MP5 won't do. Shoulder rigs are cool until you realize 15 rd. magazines suck. The K/PDW has a stronger recoil spring so charging the weapon isn't as smooth as "palm and slap" like with the full size MP5. Not dramatic, but noticeable. Now that B&T makes a side folding stock for the MP5 the K/PDW gives up much of the advantage over a standard MP5.

The only real benefit is if you are trying to pack into an aircraft cockpit or something where a full size MP5A3 simply won't fit. A PDW w/ 3 mags and a suppressor will pack pretty tight and would make a decent survival package.

[Circle_10]

There is nothing wrong with the Colt 9mm beyond the fact that roller locked will always be smoother than blowback and MP5 magazines are vastly superior to Uzi type magazines.

The K/PDW doesn't buy you much that a full size MP5 won't do. Shoulder rigs are cool until you realize 15 rd. magazines suck. The K/PDW has a stronger recoil spring so charging the weapon isn't as smooth as "palm and slap" like with the full size MP5. Not dramatic, but noticeable. Now that B&T makes a side folding stock for the MP5 the K/PDW gives up much of the advantage over a standard MP5.

The only real benefit is if you are trying to pack into an aircraft cockpit or something where a full size MP5A3 simply won't fit. A PDW w/ 3 mags and a suppressor will pack pretty tight and would make a decent survival package.

Maybe at some point I’ll at least get to try out an MP5K, although I don’t generally have a lot of opportunity around here to shoot full autos.

I ended up ordering a scorpion the other day, so I guess the die has been cast as far as my own PCC choice goes. I found a black one selling for a relatively decent price by current standards. Most of the others I’ve seen selling for reasonable prices have been OD or FDE, which I didn’t really want.
While it’s not my dream PCC, it is by all accounts a decent gun and much more affordable for a peasant like me than an SP5. Technically the Stribog is even cheaper, but the Scorpion currently has more of a real world track record, which was worth the moderate increase in price for me.
My intent is for it to spend as little time as possible as a pistol, I’ll want to vet it as well as the ammo crisis will allow before actually SBRing it, but that is the end goal.