Laser and illuminator activation is slaved on the TLR VIR II. Laser is pretty good, comparable to other decent “civ” lasers. I’ll compare directly to the MAWL C soon. Maybe tonight if I’m still bored. Edit: Did so. It looks roughly the same as a MAWL C pointer.
The illuminator is intended for short range use, and performance is as expected. Its pretty loud up close, falls off with distance quickly. It’ll do what you really need with a pistol at night.
I did notice I had to max the elevation adjustment on a Gen4 G19, and even then, the zero is only good at CQB distances. (Edit: I talked to a Streamlight engineer, and he said it was a defect and I should contact customer service and send it in. I’m currently happy with it on a G19.5, so maybe later) The dustcover just has soooo much slant to it, so that gun will mostly get shot through the RMR. I got a great zero on a Gen 5 G19. I’m hoping to try out some other pistols, but that might go on the backburner, since I shoot Glocks, anyway.
Last edited by 1168; 09-18-21 at 13:33.
Agreed with everything 1168 says. This guy does a pretty good review that compares it to a DBAL A3: https://youtu.be/N6MpPjn0lFo Spoiler alert: it is NOT a DBAL, and I don't think it's meant to be. It's more of a floodlight as opposed to the DBAL's spotlight - which for a pistol is better anyway.
Right now mine's mounted on a 300BLK pistol, and it was within an inch of my 50 yd zero when I mounted it. Adjustment was easy and I'm happy with it. The laser "dot" is bigger than I'd like at 50 yds, but since it's primarily designed for a pistol I'd say it's about perfect and I'm using it outside its design parameters.
I didn't like that you couldn't turn on the IR laser without the light at first, but the more that I think about it the more I can't think of a situation where I'd need to do that. So slaving them together probably makes a lot of sense.
@ironman
With your CQBL and illuminator combination, do options exist where I could have the visible laser fire with a white light and IR laser with an illuminator?
How is battery life and “power” with the CQBL?
I’ll throw in a couple opinions here.
I have a stiener cqbl with surefire IR scout 300. Tnvc dual switch to control them. This set up is small, light, quality and about 1200$. White and IR light, slaved vis and IR lasers. For a civi fda approved set up I think its tough to beat. An added little bonus I like is the turning bezel on the sure allows an off position.
The mawl sounds super nice. But not for that money. I would buy a mawl over others if it was full power. I can’t.
…but I can readily buy a new in package peq15 full power. It’s about 2500$, so actually less than a low power mawl.
Lastly this thread makes me want to piece together a ghetto full power com lock set up with a perst and a evir.
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My experience is with a cqbl .7mw and a full power peq15.
I find with the cqbl the laser is “enough to get by” but I often finding myself wanting it brighter.
The civi laser starts to wash out
-in higher ambient light like full moon and street lights.
-with any ir illumination
At distance you certainly want for more power.
Now at 1200$ and quad output as well as factory support the cqbl/surefire is hard to beat for me still.
With my full power peq15 I find myself using the full power often. I’d say at least half the time. Some time full power is too much. Depends on ambient light conditions and range.
So to me for 3000k for a mawl does not seem worth it to me. I’ve never used one, but I know how good the laser could possibly be. I do how ever feel of you had unlimited power to work with that all of the setting on the mawl seem like they would be awesome and super useful. I do say this having not having used a civi mawl, but I’m not paying 3k to find out. I’d rather have a full power peq15 and some serious change left over.
I have a FP Peq 15. Honestly, I like my MAWL-C better. The switching is just better, IMO. I like not having to twist the illuminator focus in a mixed environment. They’re both good, though. They have different strengths. I do wish the MAWL price would come down, but that seems unlikely.
Sidenote, I played with an ATPIAL-C the other day. It is totally inadequate as an illuminator in mixed lighting with like streetlights and such. Non-cloners would be better served with a LED IR flashlight.
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