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Thread: ZPAPM70 Serbian Red Side Folder Rifle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circle_10 View Post
    I feel like if I got one of these I’d pair it with a low-magnification optic of some sort, like a a PA prism or something, and do kind of like a shorter version of a Tabuk Sniper style setup.
    I've done exactly that with a Romanian RPK receivered rifle.

    Its heavy. 20 rd mags helped. I sold it due to the weight and after trying to hit targets at 250-300 yds in slightly windy conditions. (10-20 mph. The cartridge just isn't up to it. High quality hand loads would help of course. Would still have that long-travel trigger and no BHO.

    It helped me decide that the next step in performance over 5.56 isn't .300 blk, 6.8, or 7.62x39 but .308. (Or one of the Creedmor calibers that I have no experience with)

    A .308 (or Creedmor cal) AR is the way to go for an accurate semi auto rifle if 5.56 isnt "enough".

    No, they arent as ruggedly reliable as a well-built Kalashnikov-style rifle. But probably "reliable enough" and the pros outweigh the cons for the role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 96 SS View Post
    Try getting anything 5.45 now days. SLR-104FR’s are going for $2500+

    SGL’s even more
    I've paid $250 for a new Mak90 (1994?) And $399 for a new Romanian RPK semi. (200x)

    Both were well made. I think my limit for a well-built Kalashnikov derivative today would be about $800.

    What you're getting is a semi-auto version of a powerfull sub-machine gun (or acceptable SAW) that can be used as a carbine. It's just not a good base for a "rifleman's rifle" in my experience.

    I even bought a Vector RPD. 3-4 MOA like a cold AKM (iron sights) on a good day and trigger was the worst I've felt in a "rifle". (Think of a bad Taurus revolver DA trigger) Sold that, too, but only because the trigger was so bad and that was normal for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron3 View Post
    I've done exactly that with a Romanian RPK receivered rifle.

    Its heavy. 20 rd mags helped. I sold it due to the weight and after trying to hit targets at 250-300 yds in slightly windy conditions. (10-20 mph. The cartridge just isn't up to it. High quality hand loads would help of course. Would still have that long-travel trigger and no BHO.

    It helped me decide that the next step in performance over 5.56 isn't .300 blk, 6.8, or 7.62x39 but .308. (Or one of the Creedmor calibers that I have no experience with)

    A .308 (or Creedmor cal) AR is the way to go for an accurate semi auto rifle if 5.56 isnt "enough".

    No, they arent as ruggedly reliable as a well-built Kalashnikov-style rifle. But probably "reliable enough" and the pros outweigh the cons for the role.
    I don’t really have any illusions about a scoped 7.62x39 being a particularly good DMR, I’m more thinking about it in terms of if 5.56 supply problems have required I pivot to 7.62x39 as my “go to” cartridge, I’d probably want a rifle set up with some magnification to supplement the SGL-21 with the 1x optic on it. Although with the ease one can swap out optics on a side rail mount I’m probably just going to do this with my SGL instead, and switch optics as needed. I’d still kind of like a ZPAP but the odds of me buying one anytime soon are not high, and this seems like the kind of thing that if you don’t get it soon you might not get it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circle_10 View Post
    I don’t really have any illusions about a scoped 7.62x39 being a particularly good DMR, I’m more thinking about it in terms of if 5.56 supply problems have required I pivot to 7.62x39 as my “go to” cartridge, I’d probably want a rifle set up with some magnification to supplement the SGL-21 with the 1x optic on it. Although with the ease one can swap out optics on a side rail mount I’m probably just going to do this with my SGL instead, and switch optics as needed. I’d still kind of like a ZPAP but the odds of me buying one anytime soon are not high, and this seems like the kind of thing that if you don’t get it soon you might not get it at all.
    IF ammo gets hard / expensive to find?

    If you already have the ammo go for it or trade for .223.

    It's a good idea to buy SOMETHING just because even if you change your mind you can trade it later.

    For example I've been hit up for small amounts of pistol ammo a couple times recently. Sell? Nope. Easier to get increasingly worth-less money than ammo. But I'll trade ammo for ammo, sure.

    Will be similar with certain guns and accessories, too. Have something to trade.

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    I spent some quality time on the range today with mine, I had a bunch of old Tula sitting in my garage I wanted to burn through. After over a year of casually shooting it, I still like the gun a lot, but I'm honestly not a fan of the stock. Between not locking in the folder position, and the fact mine seems to whack me right in the cheek bone when I shoot, I think Atlantic/CZ sold these more for looks than practical shooting. It's also annoying there isn't hardware on the gun for a rear sling mount. I'm not planning to get rid of mine, but I'm thinking about swapping out the furniture for something that works better for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBAR_94 View Post
    I spent some quality time on the range today with mine, I had a bunch of old Tula sitting in my garage I wanted to burn through. After over a year of casually shooting it, I still like the gun a lot, but I'm honestly not a fan of the stock. Between not locking in the folder position, and the fact mine seems to whack me right in the cheek bone when I shoot, I think Atlantic/CZ sold these more for looks than practical shooting. It's also annoying there isn't hardware on the gun for a rear sling mount. I'm not planning to get rid of mine, but I'm thinking about swapping out the furniture for something that works better for me.
    Sucks that it isn't a correct folder. The real ones have a sling swivel on the non folding sid eand a locking latch, they also swap out with the Bulgy poly folders but doesn't look like yours will.

    Also doesn't look like you have a standard rear trunnion so I think you are stuck with that folder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Sucks that it isn't a correct folder. The real ones have a sling swivel on the non folding side and a locking latch, they also swap out with the Bulgy poly folders but doesn't look like yours will.

    Also doesn't look like you have a standard rear trunnion so I think you are stuck with that folder.
    I need to take it apart and look, but I was under the impression the Magpul stock would work. I was kind of hoping Zastava just used a standard Yugo rear trunion. I'm not super smart on AKs, though. Regardless, it's a nice gun, I think if I knew then what I know now I would have either gotten a classic wood stock, or gone for something more modern. As it is, it's not like it's a problem, it's just not fun to run 100+ rounds through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBAR_94 View Post
    I need to take it apart and look, but I was under the impression the Magpul stock would work. I was kind of hoping Zastava just used a standard Yugo rear trunion. I'm not super smart on AKs, though. Regardless, it's a nice gun, I think if I knew then what I know now I would have either gotten a classic wood stock, or gone for something more modern. As it is, it's not like it's a problem, it's just not fun to run 100+ rounds through.
    Does yours have a full stock tang on top? If not, I think you are stuck. But if they offered the same rifle with a fixed wood stock, you might actually have one. Given that they didn't install the latch hardware, they might have just used a folder that is compatible with a fixed stock like the East German wire folders are.
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    The Zastava Yugo/Serbian rifles don't have stock tangs. Still, we'll need pictures to tall you what you have for sure.

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    I doubt you will ever see factory authentic mil-spec imported AK's with the obligatory 6 U.S. made parts. If they are cobbled together with sporter type parts, it is a different story. A new model will have to be submitted to the alphabet Technology Branch to be evaluated for sporting purposes. Good luck obtaining approval for a semi-auto facsimile of the real thing.

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