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Thread: Now that CZ owns Colt, what should they do first?

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    Now that CZ owns Colt, what should they do first?

    Its official, CZ has bought Colt, here is what I posted to IG...:

    Dear CZ, congratulations on buying Colt. Please start by firing everyone who was an officer, and instead of a giant severance package, give them 2 weeks salary in an envelope while security walks them out. Next, fire anyone who cant fieldstrip an M4.
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    Next, move to a firearm friendly state. Stop giving money to a state that is trying to put Colt out of business.
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    Lastly, hire some people who actually know the firearm community and understand what the public wants. There is no reason for Colt to lag so far behind.
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    Thank you for saving an American icon!

    While some people will think I'm joking, I'm serious. The overhead at Colt has appeared to be the major blockage for Colt moving forward, and the overhead includes brass who "APPEAR" to have been brought on board not for any actual firearm ability, but because of past or future favors. While there are lines which are supposed to be drawn on some of this, that isn't my point. My point is that the brass, and the upper management has shown themselves to be utter failures. These individuals should not be walking away with massive checks for a company they ran into the ground, rather, they should be perp walked out the door with a carboard box, and kicked off the curb in the direction of their expensive cars.

    The state, and the union have not been favorable to Colt. I'm not exactly pro union, but I do understand why they have a place. I also understand extortion tactics used by Unions, and how bad some of them are. Its my opinion that Colt/ CZ needs to move to a firearm friendly location, and set up their facilities for new workers at good wages, with good management and start again.

    My last comment is pretty easy for guys to understand who are in the firearm industry. I have no doubt Colt has made a lot of fantastic firearms, the problem is that if they don't get a GOV contract for them, those items vanish into a vault. Remington did the same thing with its 12 or so ACR examples that it made. It used them to show them off, but never opened them for sale. Funny how they didn't see a return in that investment.... New people who understand what is being bought and sold will make the difference in sales. Short run pieces aren't a bad thing, and I think Colt could make good money by doing 1 and 2 year runs of different model AR15s. Different rails, different gas systems, and different furniture create new pieces to engage with the customers and dealers. I wouldn't think the 6920 model should ever vanish, but there is more to the market than one older model AR.

    I most sincerely wish CZ the best of luck with Colt. I feel they have a fantastic opportunity, but they will need to take some pretty basic steps to see them come to fruition.




    What changes would you like to see CZ make to have Colt be successful?
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    Updated Mid-length M4s. And polymer 1911s just to blow up the fudd heads that are still intact after a fur-in company bought Colt.

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    I know I'm not the only dude that thinks it sucks another American company gets bought out by foreign investors. we've really just become the battery for the rest of the world, oh well.

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    The 6920 as a carbine gas gun needs to die. I would recommend that they focus on midlength gas unless carbine is necessary for length. There is absolutely no reason why they should not be a direct competitor to BCM. As Colt got old and fudd'ish, BCM came in and offered excellent QC, reliability, and simple innovation that Colt didn't have.

    I know there are many on this board that consider the 6920 a go to recommendation but I would not recommend a Colt for any platform in any caliber. The only thing they make in my opinion that's worth a dam is their lowers with their parts but I feel none of that can be trusted as of late. They are Remington in so many ways and in my opinion deserve Remington's death. Somehow by the grace of god they got purchased by a weapons manufacturer that actually knows their shit and can use them as a US based hedge if the Biden administration does something to limit imports.

    I completely agree with Stick that they should ditch CT and the union. They would be far better off to move to TX or WY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by methical20 View Post
    I hope that this will mean Colt monolithic MLOK rifles for those of us in the US
    With rail and barrel lengths similar to the SR15/16
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    M4 SOCOM barrels but mid length for... me.


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    I fail to see how Colt is lagging behind. They make the toughest milspec bolts on the market. They make the most accurate/long wearing chrome lined barrels on the market. What's not to love???

    If you go screwing with it, you'll end up with one of two things. Either another KAC/LMT at 2500 bucks a pop, or another BCM with sometimes questionable milspec quality with "modern" features that are more marketing than substance for 1500 a pop.

    Personally I'll take the tried and true for 800 thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by themonk View Post
    The 6920 as a carbine gas gun needs to die. I would recommend that they focus on midlength gas unless carbine is necessary for length. There is absolutely no reason why they should not be a direct competitor to BCM. As Colt got old and fudd'ish, BCM came in and offered excellent QC, reliability, and simple innovation that Colt didn't have.

    I know there are many on this board that consider the 6920 a go to recommendation but I would not recommend a Colt for any platform in any caliber. The only thing they make in my opinion that's worth a dam is their lowers with their parts but I feel none of that can be trusted as of late. They are Remington in so many ways and in my opinion deserve Remington's death. Somehow by the grace of god they got purchased by a weapons manufacturer that actually knows their shit and can use them as a US based hedge if the Biden administration does something to limit imports.

    I completely agree with Stick that they should ditch CT and the union. They would be far better off to move to TX or WY.
    Completely lost me. Id understand if there was some vast noticable improvement in reliability and parts longevity. But there really isn't. What is BCM giving me (talking about pre 2020) for $1000+ that a 6920 won't for half the price.

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    Pre 2020 a 6920 was what, $800? And a BCM was $1200.

    With the BCM you got essentially the same mil spec reliability but also got a modern barrel profile with mid length gas system, hybrid comp/flash hider, ergonomic charging handle, free floated MLOK rail, and better furniture.

    Plus fantastic customer service. I sent a 6920 Trooper back to Colt because it arrived with a broken rail mount bolt. It took months of me chasing Colt just to get it back.

    I bought a complete BCM lower from Brownells that arrived with a sticky bolt catch. BCM took it back directly, paid shipping both ways, and had it back to me in a week.


    The only interesting gun Colt made in the last decade was the 6960 CCU. The specs were nearly identical to a 16 BCM Recce ELW, but with a basic A2 bird cage. Of course it was a short run that they discontinued. Makes sense.


    To answer the OP - Colt should start churning out 6960s at high volume for competitive prices.
    Last edited by grizzlyblake; 02-13-21 at 20:50.

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    One foot in the past and one in the future--keep certain core "bread and butter" models in regular production and cycle through "retro/repro" offerings a few a year, but also look at what everybody's doing today and then try to take the next step whatever it may be. Try to lead the industry not chase it, and do a "sorta-open-source" licensing thing like Magpul with M-Lok to try to ensure that good ideas get a chance at traction in the industry along with honest competition to ensure that the best come out on top. At the same time, collaborate with Crane, Picatinny etc. trying to work on the next generation of features DOD wants.

    And when I say Retro/Repro, I don't mean "cosmetic only" like those bastardized faux-"1903 Pocket Hammerless" abortions that can't even use original magazines never mind actual parts... I mean true repro, full parts interchange compatibility as far as practical.
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