Was just going to mention that.Originally Posted by Johnny Rico
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Was just going to mention that.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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LMAO!!
The difference being that it wasn't all in one encounter, and we arrested and cited them for legitimate criminal offenses such as urinating in public, illegal camping, disorderly conduct, criminal trespass. Righteous arrests. We didn't arrest people for simply being homeless or vagrant.
They would get offers for rides on different occasions, nothing forced, and if they passed on offers, that was fine. If they were going to be in our community, they needed to be in compliance with the law, not littering the parks with needles or shitting on the sidewalks.
Walking through town was fine too. We didn't violate anyone's rights. At least what was considered peoples rights in Oregon at that time. Oregon case law is night and day from what it used to be now.
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So I'm glad YOU didn't do it, but we both know how these things often work.
Failure to comply with officers directives, failure to produce valid identification, etc.
If somebody wants to find a reason to cite, for right or for wrong, it usually isn't that hard and even if it doesn't exist right now, most people can be steered in that direction. Shit even lawyers F it up and get arrested from time to time and they know the drill as well as anyone. That hardest thing to do is probably arrest another LEO who hasn't done anything "yet" but I've even seen that brought to conclusion.
And just to be fair, most of us get that many times directives come from "above" and individual LEOs aren't left the discretion they usually have at their disposal. And while we are being fair, one of the most difficult 5 minute evaluations is "good guy homeless person or bad guy homeless person." It's hard to be objective and fair with a group that on the best days are generally incoherent, non cooperative and probably holding.
And just so you get that I fully understand where you are coming from, I was once friends with Ft. Lauderdale PD officer Bryant Peney who worked a detail at the mall my girlfriend managed, he was killed chasing a homeless person across the street who ran on him during a contact and fired a single shot from a .357 magnum which struck officer Peney through the opening of his vest under his armpit. He died at the age of 27.
But that said, I also knew a small handful of homeless guys, including two vets, who should have never been homeless but that's how it happened and I would have hated to see them get jammed up with the rest. It's almost "no win."
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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