California and the homeless issue

[a1fabweld]

Like most problems out in Cali, I just don’t care. I hope they spend double or triple that in the next three years. I hope there’s so much human shit and needles on the sidewalk that people have to walk in the street because it’s safer. The sooner that state fails or falls into the ocean the better.

Edit: what is truly needed is a couple massive batches of heroin laced or just straight fentanyl and they can hand that out with a hand out the needles and that should alleviate a bit of the drug addict homeless. Then maybe would be able to concentrate on sorting the crazies and the people who actually need help. California can pay for and build a large state run asylum and put all the insane homeless people in. The small percentage of the homeless population that actually needs help that is left would be eligible for resources.

I understand how frustrated you must feel as someone who doesn’t live in CA, wishing for the collapse of the state and all. But you should give a shit and I’ll explain why. Being that CA is one of the 50 states, it likely affects your state in one way or another. As much as you wish there were a moat around CA’s borders filled with alligators, that’s just not going to happen. Hell they can’t even get the southern border wall completed (thank you President Trump got starting it and going strong on it). CA refugees are leaving the state in droves and heading for other “free states”. Same goes for east coast socialists. Look what’s happening to the big metro areas of Idaho, Texas, Arizona, and others with the influx of liberals. Liberalism really is a disease and it spreads like one. There was an LA Times article last month which stated that geriatric joe thinks CA should be the model for the rest of the country to follow. Scary right? If the USA was a person’s body, think of CA as an organ in the body. Say that organ gets cancer. Do you point at it, laugh at it, hope it rots away, and dies? Being that you can’t isolate the diseased organ from the rest of the body, the infection is likely to spread unless it’s treated aggressively. That’s the reality of it. Boise is now Bay Area #2. My good friend who moved there 10 years ago says it sucks so bad now that he plans to come back to the conservative Eastern NorCal area. The influx of liberals from CA & NY have ruined the area, not to mention the Muslim refugees which have been planted there. Think about that. This shit affects everyone.

[DG23]

Saw a homeless bum try to move into what used to be a church across the street from my old shop. (church relocated - building was vacant for a long time)

Called the cops and reported it. Couple of female officers showed up and were not messing around. Dude got a ride out of there quickly and from what they told me was warned to not come back.

He came back. Called cops. Couple of guys showed up and honestly acted like they were scared to go in the building to get the guy out. Crying about how big the place was and how long it would take them to find his ass.

I pointed at my girls (Dobermans) and asked if they wanted to 'borrow' them. The one officer asked if they would bite him. 'If he runs - Yeah. They are taking a few plugs out of his ass'. They declined my offer and reluctantly went in there and got the guy out.

[Averageman]

Whenever and wherever you find a host unwilling or unable to fight the parasites infecting it, the parasites take over and kill the host.
That's not political, that's science.
Everyone has a sob story, few of them give up or prostitutes themselves or lives under a bridge, but if you make that a profitable choice parasites are going to take it. Buy a farm, move them out of town and set them to work. Make drug rehab available, make medical and mental health available.
Work them to sobriety pay them an honest wage, but after a fair trial being sentenced to a work farm/chain gang, should be a viable deterrent.

When it was a viable option, it often worked.

[Hank6046]

Since Oregon recently legalized hard drugs, I think we should set up a program where people can sponsor a homeless person/junkie with a one way bus ticket to Portland. Soyattle would be a second option. Count me in for 5 sponsorships.

Yeah, I was in Portland in November for work and I was horrible. I grew up on the leftcoast and used to love this place in the 90's and hadn't been back for over 15 years. It was depressing, we drove to a medium sized manufacture south of the airport and the homeless butted right up to some middle class houses. I as a father couldn't imagine sending my son to the corner to be picked up by the school bus as it was now just a homeless encampment. We stuck to business when I talked with the people there, but they did have security as you entered and driving around the parking lot when we parked. I can't say I see the same in the midwest, south, or mountain regions.

[joedirt199]

So here is my take from both sides of the fence. I went through a pretty progressive police academy back in 2002 where they put us through several sociological experiments to teach us about immigration, homelessness, etc.

So one October night they sent us up to St. Louis to assist a prior homeless person to hand out sandwiches and water bottles to homeless in the area. We got to meet real homeless people making their way on their own. One group of 3 lived in a konex box over the river and had a decent setup. They were mid 30's and told us their story. One was a construction worker who fell and hurt his back and could no longer work. He didn't want to be a burden on his family or get government hand outs so he went to live on his own. They had saved up money to stay in a nice hotel to get a shower and a decent nights sleep. A group of drug addicts busted into their home and beat them with boards with nails, the wounds were evident as one had a broken arm, several little puncture marks and stole their money. Pretty nice guys on hard times. Most of the homeless we encountered were just making their ways on their own not out begging for hand outs or bothering the normal people.

We then went to a local charity homeless shelter and patted down people coming in for the night to make sure they weren't bringing in weapons. This also deterred those showing up to take advantage of the weaker people.

To top it off the instructors took us to a park and told us to pair up for the night. We spent 8 hours sleeping in a park with a wool blanket, peanut butter sandwich, and bottle of water. Real homeless were trying to get us to come with them to sleep in a warmer place. There were 2 off duty cops who showed up to keep an eye on us as they never got out of their cars and turned them off and on all night to warm up. We did have pocket knives for protection. The dick instructors had the park maintenance people turn the sprinklers on us that night so that was fun.

Now in my law enforcement experience I have come across a few "homeless" and I use quotes because the ones who beg are not homeless. One was a late 50's white guy who said he was saving up money for a knee surgery and during the summer you could see his knees where shit. Well a year later he was still doing it. I ran into an apartment manager who informed me that guy lived in one of his buildings and would call local churches to beg them to pay his rent for a few months when he couldn't get the money on his own. He would walk 2 miles to work the intersection for handouts. I saw him again and had a different tone. Told him if he could stand out there all day in the heat and cold he could get a job. He said he put in applications as he walks past 3 gas stations to get to the intersection and says they won't hire him. I call bullshit on him applying.

Another one lived 20 miles away and rode in with a person who worked in the area. He would beg all day, then get picked up and go back to a hotel where his wife and kids stayed. I told him one day to pick up his shit and beat feet because that was crap he was coming down here to beg when he could work up in the city in walking distance. If he came back he was getting a ticket. He pulled out his cell phone and called for a ride. Next day he was back. Out came the ticket book. He said he needed cash to pay the hotel and couldn't wait for a pay check. Don't care.

People begging are drug addicts preying on people's charity and many abuse the churches as they feel they are helping the needy but actually enabling the worst. Drugs are driving people out of good jobs and family are tired of bailing them out of trouble only to be victimized over and over. We have several calls for tent cities being set up in common grounds of subdivisions and wooded areas. A pair of officers must have felt sorry for one group as they went and bought them some clean clothes and groceries. They reporting party called back to complain that nothing was done to run them off. Well they would just go to another area and get complained on there.

Can only help those that want it.

[Evel Baldgui]

In regard to California "spending" $13 billion dollars on the homeless problem; I'd venture to guess that great deal of that money was deferred to the bank accounts of _____, fill in criminal democratic politician of choice, Schiff,pelosi, Feinstein, newsome, waters,et al.

[Vandal]

We call it the Homeless Industrial Complex in the Seattle Metro area. Millions on top of millions being dumped into various city and state subsidized "non-profits" who absolutely no results to show for it. The response, they just need more money.

Those who are still homeless in the major metro areas are homeless by choice. In King County, WA we have access to more resources for the homeless and drug addled (usually the same people) than anywhere else in the Northwest. If they want to get back on their feet and become functioning members of society, the path is there. Instead it is a lifestyle for them where they have learned to work the system for handouts, food banks, abuse the generosity of your churches, and break into your cars to steal your stuff. Each encampment I go to has buckets of drug paraphernalia just laying on the ground. I've completely lost my sympathy or empathy for the homeless after working in LE and dealing with their bulls#!t daily for the last 4 years. I was at one camp today that had literal buckets of human waste sitting outside. They had a garbage dump set up just downwind of them. The dump was 30 foot long by 3-4 feet high, and probably 4 feet wide.

[Vic79]

Unfortunately there are “throw away people” you could give them 50 grand to get back on their feet and they would have it in their arm or in a pipe so fast it would make your head spin.

[motor51]

At my department, the mayor initiated a “road home program”. They got with several non profits and offered free bus tickets to anywhere in the country. This was done to let them go home to their families. In reality it was just to get them to go anywhere but there.


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[joedirt199]

Yeah we have a crazy lady in her late 20's that just keeps popping up every couple of months. She will get called on because she is stripping down roadside or yelling at random people. Pretty sure she has schizophrenia and uses drugs. I feel sorry for her because her family is done with her and she will end up being raped and murdered in some weirdo's van or basement. I found her walking around in a robe and t shirt on a 10* morning with no where to go. Had to take her to the hospital since she was so out of it. She started flipping out and had to be cuffed up. Dr at the hospital was not amused that I brought her and asked why. Put him in his place and walked out. She just gets leveled out for a month then back to crazy jamie. Not enough money in the world to fix these people.