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https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army...jLM7uzVEq8qSfI
“A viral video showing soldiers conducting room-clearing training is being called hot garbage, appalling, and a “live-fire Army edition of 1,000 ways to die in a shoot house,” and it’s easy to see why: It’s a complete f***ing tactical trainwreck.”
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Man, that's some seriously poor muzzle disciple...everyone gets shot by their own guys. I'm no expert, but are you supposed to just walk/run into the middle of a room where there might be hostiles itching to light you up?
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They are taking HUGE amounts of shit for this; this has gone beyond just a viral video and gone to serious talks about training shortcomings, as well as tearing 10th Mt. leadership for not keeping their guys properly disciplined and safe.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.-Ben Franklin
there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.-Samwise Gamgee
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It was all kind of meh, till I realized they were slinging lead... holy crap. That wasn’t a first run. Someone trained them that way...
The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.
It's that simple.
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Whichever NCO/OIC certified those idiots for live (after several blank fire iterations, right?!?!) should have HIS ass handed to him in some monumental way.
Holy **** that was cringe-worthy.
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He gets to sit in the hostage chair during the next dynamic training exercise. I know there has to be chain of command in these situations, but my favorite live fire environment is the "everyone is a RSO" environment and "If you SEE something STOP something." Even instructors goof from time to time and if everyone is watching for even the small things...then the really big ones aren't allowed to exist.Originally Posted by ViniVidivici
People think as you become MORE special forces and MORE swat that things become more like a action video game and "safety is for all those sucks who need it", the reality is those guys are special because they can do safe handling at high speeds and during dynamic and fluid situations.
I've seen them shoot and they run trigger / muzzle discipline at a level that has to be seen to be believed.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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What exactly were the safety officers doing while watching this? I mean I assume there were grown-ups around somewhere.
I get that there might be a quick or partial sweep in a tight place (not that’s it’s ok), but when you’re just holding on your own man...that’s not something you critique later, that has to be corrected on the spot. Immediately.
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The 10th Mountain Command Sergeant Major came out and owned it and said it is not the way, will not be the way and is being fixed.
https://mobile.twitter.com/climbtogl...98442884919296
AQ planned for years and sent their A team to carry out the attacks, and on Flight 93 they were thwarted by a pick-up team made up of United Frequent Fliers. Many people look at 9/11 and wonder how we can stop an enemy like that. I look at FL93 and wonder, "How can we lose?". -- FromMyColdDeadHand
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Thank God. 10th Mountain used to command enormous respect after Mogadishu and they almost squandered it in a day.
I can see that being used as a "how not to" training video for everyone else.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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It’s also a lesson in how to deal with social media catastrophe. He owned it, did not down play it at all and is going right after it. Many organizations could learn quite a bit from that.
AQ planned for years and sent their A team to carry out the attacks, and on Flight 93 they were thwarted by a pick-up team made up of United Frequent Fliers. Many people look at 9/11 and wonder how we can stop an enemy like that. I look at FL93 and wonder, "How can we lose?". -- FromMyColdDeadHand
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