10th Mountain Shoot House (GoPro)

[WillBrink]

I saw that vid on FB. Not my lane, but seemed the camera operator the worse of the bunch, vid was scary to watch as I kept wondering if it ended badly. Let out a big breath when it ended without any injuries.

[1168]

Some people in this thread have expertise in this. Some do not. This is a teachable topic, so if you don’t have personal experience (or trained to proficiency with someone that does) on this topic, pump your brakes and ask specific questions. This is why all the SMEs disappeared, and there are at least two active members here with experience both in CQB, and the units being used as examples, that are notably absent from this discussion, and I can promise that they know it exists.

Try not to take this as a personal insult, as that is not my intent. Also, note that I’m not going to just drag that unit’s name through the mud. There’s a reason for that.

[chuckman]

https://maxvelocitytactical.com/tact...s/h-e-a-t-cqb/

This is the way....

I've done a ton of CQB training over the last 3 decades, this is the best class for working with others in a CQB setting. I've done 4 or 5 iterations of it and will do it again as time permits.

My heyday was early-90s through early-2000s, and in that time we saw so many iterations and evolution of CQB (jn a good way). As effed up as that video is--and it is--a large part of me is "there but for the grace of God go I...."

I am glad the video is there, may it serve as a catalyst for reform and better training. But that doesn't mean those guys--all of them--do not deserve to be hammered.

I have not heard of MVT, but it's because of places like that that evolution keeps the skill set alive and topical.

[Scrubber3]

That shoot house almost became a smokehouse. Lessons to be learned here for sure.

[ViniVidivici]

Given the current political situation and the increasing likelihood of the US military being sent against Americans I find the fact that this type of training is taking place troubling. But I suspect the ROE's for deplorables will revert back to the grenade sweep with full auto method anyway.

Negative, you're WAY off track. MOUT/CQB has been a thing for decades. I did this shit, for the first time, last century.

What's being discussed here has nothing to do with the current oligarchy sending goons after us.

[Jellybean]

I just want to know why none of the instructors/observers stopped it.
Or where the instructor/observers were...
Or why none of the participants noticed what they themselves were doing and fixed it along the way.

I mean, I don't know, all that combined that just seems... odd, to me. Like I'm missing some sort of further context.

Once upon a time I did a little CQB training on the civ side. There were some unsafe moments because myself and the other participants were hardly the cream of the crop, and perhaps the material was being advanced a little to quickly for our skill level. But nothing even approaching this level of 'yikes' happened, and would surely have resulted in an immediate "STOP!" from the instructor, and a swift exit from the range if wholesale carelessness had ensued or persisted. And we all KNEW when we f***ed up, often without having to be reamed for it.

Which is why this video just seems like somethings missing...

[ST911]

Some people in this thread have expertise in this. Some do not. This is a teachable topic, so if you don’t have personal experience (or trained to proficiency with someone that does) on this topic, pump your brakes and ask specific questions. This is why all the SMEs disappeared, and there are at least two active members here with experience both in CQB, and the units being used as examples, that are notably absent from this discussion, and I can promise that they know it exists.

Try not to take this as a personal insult, as that is not my intent. Also, note that I’m not going to just drag that unit’s name through the mud. There’s a reason for that.

What 1168 said.

Adding... It's also okay to not crap politics into every thread on the board. Feel free to pass on that.

[TomMcC]

Ok...if it's a teachable vid, then was it poor muzzle disciple? Back to my original question...was this the proper way to enter a room with possible hostile? Are there other things to learn from it?

[SteyrAUG]

they don’t do this in conventional Infantry units, and shouldn’t. Hostage rescue isn’t a mission for them, except by accident, or in support of. Maybe some crazy circumstance. Either way, if I were in charge of conventional infantry, I would not sign off on the sort of liability that comes with having a live human in a live shoothouse, even if everyone else is cool with it. The risk is extreme, and we’re talking about dudes that need a crawl walk run workup for every shoothouse. Walk throughs, blanks, live. Think about that for a second. They essentially have to memorize a structure before being signed off to go live.

It was a joke. I think even the SAS has 100% abandoned the practice after losing a couple officers.

[Honu]

I have to ask was this actual 10th members or some they are training and taking along to learn ? or are they the reserve ones brushing up more learning etc...
was this a OK lets see what we need to learn vid or seasoned folks or brand new ?

trying to ask questions instead

had a buddy in intelligence and he was airborne at one time moved into intelligence but said lots of times folks bring along and train with folks who are not part of the unit ?
he joked lots of idiots along for the ride many times with groups that do not know what is going on or in training and go through the steps


my buddy does joke about "military intelligence" being the biggest oxymoron though