Tom Clancy's: Without Remorse (2021)

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I don't know. After the second season of Jack Ryan being a complete turd-show on Prime, I don't know if I trust them. So this would be Clark, right? After they killed of the real Clark in the new Jack Ryan series?

It looks like a good movie. I just don't think any of the Tom Clancy universe movies or books have been worth a crap in the last 20 years.

Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger, and of course Hunt for Red October. Awesome. Wish they had done a mini-series on Red Storm Rising. Maybe with the 80s nostolgia and the rise of Russia they will do it- but I think they'd screw it up now. Since Ryan became POTUS, it has just lost it at the book level. The books got crappy, the movies (Sum of all Fears) got PC. That Prime Jack Ryan series had a pretty good 1st season, but they absolutely, totally, with no way to redeem themselves- jacked up the second season.


Someone better get put into a decom-pressure chamber, or I'm calling foul in the whole thing...

[Aries144]

I don't know. After the second season of Jack Ryan being a complete turd-show on Prime, I don't know if I trust them. So this would be Clark, right? After they killed of the real Clark in the new Jack Ryan series?

It looks like a good movie. I just don't think any of the Tom Clancy universe movies or books have been worth a crap in the last 20 years.

Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger, and of course Hunt for Red October. Awesome. Wish they had done a mini-series on Red Storm Rising. Maybe with the 80s nostolgia and the rise of Russia they will do it- but I think they'd screw it up now. Since Ryan became POTUS, it has just lost it at the book level. The books got crappy, the movies (Sum of all Fears) got PC. That Prime Jack Ryan series had a pretty good 1st season, but they absolutely, totally, with no way to redeem themselves- jacked up the second season.


Someone better get put into a decom-pressure chamber, or I'm calling foul in the whole thing...

John Clark had Irish ancestors, not African. I know exactly why they picked a black actor: neomarxist virtue signaling. Zero interest. Hollywood can take their divisive, hate spewing ideology, and go die in a fire.

[pag23]

William Dafoe was a pretty good John Clark, but I am a Tom Clancy fan and still read the books when they come out.

But changing a character to fit the PC mindset is ridiculous....

[Grand58742]

William Dafoe was a pretty good John Clark, but I am a Tom Clancy fan and still read the books when they come out.

But changing a character to fit the PC mindset is ridiculous....

Dafoe was good. Age, mannerisms, the look.

I do think Liev Schreiber was a good Clark even though he was younger than the novels portrayed.

[chuckman]

I don't mind a non-Caucasian as Clark. I think there can be more variability than with Ryan.

I liked Dafoe, Schrieber was OK. I could see John Hoogenakker doing it again. Keanu Reeves. John Bernthal (The Accountant). I think there are handful who could pull it off.

[SteveS]

William Dafoe was a pretty good John Clark, but I am a Tom Clancy fan and still read the books when they come out.

But changing a character to fit the PC mindset is ridiculous....

The books are awesome. !

[nick84]

I enjoyed this thread more than I enjoyed the movie.

And while on the surface I don't really care about the blackwashing, the endless forced diversity does wear thin when it gets shoe-horned into somewhere it doesn't really fit. That said, the odds that anyone in Hollywood in 2020's is going to make a movie about a white vigilante killing off inner-city drug pushers are about the same odds as me pooping cotton candy.

I will say this about the obvious forced racial diversity though, I could much more easily overlook that than the forced gender diversity. A 90lb female SEAL officer? C'mon. Good grief.

[utahjeepr]

Seriously, you want to cast a black guy as Clark who cares, it ain't integral to the story. I've not seen the Amazon variant (not planning to either), but the trailer and the comments I've seen indicate that there is practically nothing about the book remaining in the movie.

ETA: I'm waiting for the movie about the Bin Laden raid. Inner city gangbangers recruited for their street born skills. Quickly given some perfunctory SEAL training, which of course they make easy work of given their "real world warrior" background. Dispatched to hunt the world's most wanted terrorist, they overcome America's bumbling incompetent military establishment and serve up revenge for 9/11... Gangsta Style!!!

[chuckman]

I enjoyed this thread more than I enjoyed the movie......I will say this about the obvious forced racial diversity though, I could much more easily overlook that than the forced gender diversity. A 90lb female SEAL officer? C'mon. Good grief.

Totally agree, this thread is MUCH better than the movie.

I would agree re: SEAL chick, but (Navy) Chief Shannon Kent went into a unit with a higher attrition rate for their A&S and apparently kicked ass.

[BoringGuy45]

John Clark had Irish ancestors, not African. I know exactly why they picked a black actor: neomarxist virtue signaling. Zero interest. Hollywood can take their divisive, hate spewing ideology, and go die in a fire.

If John Clark were originally a black character and they changed him to be white, we'd never hear the friggin' end of it.