Tom Clancy's: Without Remorse (2021)

[SteyrAUG]

The Harrison Ford movies weren't close either.

At least they were good.

[SteyrAUG]

The only movies that lived up to the book:

-A Walk to Remember
-Black Hawk Down
-Fight Club

I thought "Shooter" did a decent adaptation of Point of Impact. Obviously they changed lots of things.

Blackhawk Down was great, but they left a LOT out.

Also "We Were Soldiers" was damn near verbatim, but again only told half of the story.

Usually I'll read a book after seeing the film. Helps me keep the many characters organized in my head because I can associate them with their film characters and it usually keeps me from being very disappointed. It's kind of like a very in depth study of the film, assuming the film was good to begin with.

Only backfired one me once with "Dogs of War" where the book was soo damn boring I could hardly stand it even though the film is one of my favorites.

[Honu]

Dont watch do not give them view numbers !

When they realize folks keep watching anyway they will keep making them like this crap !

[Adrenaline_6]

If Clancy was alive, this movie would never have had his approval rating. Sure, they made a mess of Sum of All Fears too, but he never put his stamp of approval on it, so you knew it sucked and was way off the storyline.

...and I agree with FF....no hyperbaric chamber is an instant lose.

[chuckman]

Blackhawk Down was great, but they left a LOT out. Also "We Were Soldiers" was damn near verbatim, but again only told half of the story.

Agreed. I think the problem is not producer's intent, but rather how to fit the book into a 2+/- hour film.

Nowadays with Amazon and Netflix, I think Clancy is RIPE for a quality (I said 'quality') mini-series for the books, especially Red Storm Rising. But this is true, too, for a lot of detailed subject matter I'd like to see on screen: MACV/SOG, Stephen Coonts/Dale Brown, etc.

[SteveS]

William Dafoe was a pretty good John Clark, but I am a Tom Clancy fan and still read the books when they come out.

But changing a character to fit the PC mindset is ridiculous....

The books are awesome. !

[nick84]

I enjoyed this thread more than I enjoyed the movie.

And while on the surface I don't really care about the blackwashing, the endless forced diversity does wear thin when it gets shoe-horned into somewhere it doesn't really fit. That said, the odds that anyone in Hollywood in 2020's is going to make a movie about a white vigilante killing off inner-city drug pushers are about the same odds as me pooping cotton candy.

I will say this about the obvious forced racial diversity though, I could much more easily overlook that than the forced gender diversity. A 90lb female SEAL officer? C'mon. Good grief.

[utahjeepr]

Seriously, you want to cast a black guy as Clark who cares, it ain't integral to the story. I've not seen the Amazon variant (not planning to either), but the trailer and the comments I've seen indicate that there is practically nothing about the book remaining in the movie.

ETA: I'm waiting for the movie about the Bin Laden raid. Inner city gangbangers recruited for their street born skills. Quickly given some perfunctory SEAL training, which of course they make easy work of given their "real world warrior" background. Dispatched to hunt the world's most wanted terrorist, they overcome America's bumbling incompetent military establishment and serve up revenge for 9/11... Gangsta Style!!!

[chuckman]

I enjoyed this thread more than I enjoyed the movie......I will say this about the obvious forced racial diversity though, I could much more easily overlook that than the forced gender diversity. A 90lb female SEAL officer? C'mon. Good grief.

Totally agree, this thread is MUCH better than the movie.

I would agree re: SEAL chick, but (Navy) Chief Shannon Kent went into a unit with a higher attrition rate for their A&S and apparently kicked ass.

[Pacific5th]

So my kid wanted to watch this. If it was billed as a new story I would have enjoyed it more. But to completely change the John Kelly story is a little much. It is basically a complete new story line just using a few names that Tom Clancy cooked up.

The original book would still make a good movie and to tie it into some new movies set in the 80’s with John Ryan would be sweet. The retro 80’s are hot shit these days so I think they could do a good Cold War series.