Tom Clancy's: Without Remorse (2021)

[Diamondback]

I agree that the only Clancy movies that are worth watching are Red October, Patriot Games, and Clear and Present Danger. The Jack Ryan series is actually really good in my opinion. However, it is marred by the usual wokeness. Pretty much any movie or show that deals with Islamic extremism is going to have a Muslim main character, and an emphasis that the bad guy is driven by a legitimate gripe with the U.S. for bombing his village and not because he follows a harsh interpretation of Islam that demands the conquest of the world and the extermination of infidels.

The only time I've really seen that Elephant in the Room addressed was in one 3rd-season episode of Criminal Minds. Dude the profilers were interviewing at Gitmo starts looking like "legit beef" storyline but is quickly turned into revealing himself as Islam Uber Alles.

I think the early seasons of NCIS did this too, though they were more the Cardboard Cutout "Bulletcatcher of the Week" variety without going as deep as CM in the Simon Mirren days.

[BoringGuy45]

The only time I've really seen that Elephant in the Room addressed was in one 3rd-season episode of Criminal Minds. Dude the profilers were interviewing at Gitmo starts looking like "legit beef" storyline but is quickly turned into revealing himself as Islam Uber Alles.

I think the early seasons of NCIS did this too, though they were more the Cardboard Cutout "Bulletcatcher of the Week" variety without going as deep as CM in the Simon Mirren days.

The early seasons of 24 also addressed Islamofacism for what it is. Naturally, they took flack for it and apologized. Nowadays, there are only a few terrorist threats that are appropriate in Hollywood:

- American Neo-Nazis for reasons that don't need to be explained
- Arabs with legitimate gripes against the U.S. that have nothing to do with Islam
- Russian ultranationalists because, you know, that's really been a thing lately
- American Christian fundamentalists who want to establish a Handmaid's Tale regime
- Rogue American ex-SOF operators turned mercenary for some corrupt billionaire or wannabe dictator

Actual Islamic extremists who want to establish a worldwide totalitarian caliphate? The idea is so ridiculous that Hollywood doesn't even think you could suspend disbelief to accept the concept.

[ViniVidivici]

William Dafoe was a pretty good John Clark, but I am a Tom Clancy fan and still read the books when they come out.

But changing a character to fit the PC mindset is ridiculous....

I agree, he embodied Clark perfectly. It was one of the GOOD things about the movie version of CPD. For that matter, Ford was a great Ryan.

But this......see, thing is, if I'd never read WR twice, and known the story....I'd say, looks like a decent movie. Ex-SEAL out for revenge, looks fun.

But fuuck this virtue-signalling BS. There is ZERO reason to make him black.

And for that matter, changing the whole storyline to fit modern times is nothing more than pandering to the modern short attention span public.

I've been pining for a big screen WR for years, and this ain't it.

Might as well give it a Steven Segal type title, like "Hard to Rub Out", or "Steel Fingers of Vengence", or something.

[BoringGuy45]

I agree, he embodied Clark perfectly. It was one of the GOOD things about the movie version of CPD. For that matter, Ford was a great Ryan.

But this......see, thing is, if I'd never read WR twice, and known the story....I'd say, looks like a decent movie. Ex-SEAL out for revenge, looks fun.

But fuuck this virtue-signalling BS. There is ZERO reason to make him black.

And for that matter, changing the whole storyline to fit modern times is nothing more than pandering to the modern short attention span public.

I've been pining for a big screen WR for years, and this ain't it.

Might as well give it a Steven Segal type title, like "Hard to Rub Out", or "Steel Fingers of Vengence", or something.

The worst part is that Rainbow Six is no doubt going to be a woke nightmare as well. I'm sure most of the Rainbow operators are going to Muslims, gays, trans, and feminist women who are constantly putting the straight male operators in their place for being pigs. I'm sure Ding Chavez will be changed from a Mexican-American kid from LA to an illegal immigrant. The white operators are going to have trouble being led by a black man as well. There's also no f**king way that the bad guys are going to be environmental extremists trying to wipe out the world to prevent global warming. No doubt it will be changed to an American Christian group believing they were sent by God to punish the world for sin. Or, perhaps, it'll be a Neo-Nazi group looking to wipe out the world so they can repopulate it with all white people. And, with the current events, the Ebola virus of the book will no doubt be changed a super COVID in the movie.

[lowprone]

Follywood strikes again

[ViniVidivici]

Okay now you guys jogged my memory.....Sum of all Fears was a great book......but Ben Asslick was the WORST Jack Ryan in the history of all moviedom. Gary fookin' Coleman woulda been more believable......

[Diamondback]

Unfortunately, Ben Awf--k was Clancy's own pick. Sadly, it appears Mace Neufeld is either suffering senile dementia or has lost his way, as he's been the prime-mover in production for the entire Clancy screen franchise and the decline post-C&PD has been entirely on his watch.

[SteyrAUG]

Okay now you guys jogged my memory.....Sum of all Fears was a great book......but Ben Asslick was the WORST Jack Ryan in the history of all moviedom. Gary fookin' Coleman woulda been more believable......

Hard to believe that Afleck, who was so good in Argo, was so f'ing bad in Sum of all Fears, but honestly once they made it about neo nazis, I didn't care that they screwed everything else up to.

As far as "black guys", Denzel Washington took an 80s movie called "Man on Fire" and blew the original out of the water. The original was about wealthy Italian families needing bodyguards against the threat of kidnapping. Scott Glenn played Creasy, Joe Pesci played his former partner and buddy and it was slow, dull and nobody saw it.

Denzel Washington and Christopher Walken came along and slam dunked it. Nobody cared that he played a white character in the original.

I get Clancy books are a bit different, if we made Chavez Norwegian it wouldn't work for many of the same reasons. It's because when we read the books, the characters were defined and set in memory and if you stray from that, it becomes a problem. Hell the relative ages of Clarke vs. Ryan in "Sum of all Fears" was a problem.

By the same token if you did the story of Malcom X starring Jackie Chan, it would be a problem. If you do the Bruce Lee story starring Michael Jai White, it would be a problem. And it's not that Michael Jai White doesn't actually have an impressive level of martial arts skills. It's that people care about Bruce Lee, Malcom X and Clancy characters and how they are presented.

Now if you are making Abraham Lincoln Vampire Killer, and you want Lincoln to be portrayed by Jackie Chan or Michael Jai White...go for it. I might even watch that POS if you put Jackie Chan or Michael Jai White in it, they might be able to save that stupid shit.

And that is the part I think Hollywood just doesn't grasp. The problem isn't the black guy being in the movie, the problem is the role. And the problem isn't making sure they don't have too important a role, because I don't think anyone is going to do a better James Greer anytime soon. I will always see James Earl Jones in that role and god help anyone who has to try and fill those shoes in any future production.

If Greer isn't black you are going to throw up the accepted Clancy definitions of the characters but even if he is black, he better be really good and able to step up. Maybe if Denzel is really old and has really filled out he could pull it off. But imagine he's played by an intrepid lesbian like Rooney Mara just to be fashionable, it's going to be a disaster.

I personally want to do the Amelia Earhart story starring Zhang Ziyi because why not?

Then I want to do the Katherine Hepburn story starring Joe Exotic because why not?

Then I want to do the Meryl Streep story starring Margaret Cho because why not?

Then I want to do the Martin Luther King story starring Jack Black because why not?

Then just maybe a few people might start to "get it."

[Diamondback]

The only contender I can see other than JEJ for Greer is MAYBE Morgan Freeman--and that's a very BIG maybe--or as an extreme stretch an older Ving Rhames if he remembers to dial the ham WAAAY down. Frankly, before even seeing any of the movies, when I read the novels Jones was the face and voice I pictured him as.

[Boy Scout]

10:1 odds that Michael B. Jordan will be the next Superman as well:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/...ry-cavill-out/


“ A new rumor claims that the recently announced Superman movie that is being produced by J.J. Abrams and written by radical left ideologue Ta-Nehisi Coates will feature a black Superman.

Later in the video, Randolph claims that Abrams is going to cast a Superman of color. She says, “He is going to go with a new Superman. And It’s going to be a Superman of color. Most likely a black actor.”

She adds, “And as you know Michael B. Jordan is someone that Warner Bros. has been like ‘maybe for Superman ‘ for awhile. So all signs point to… especially since they are calling it reboot in this coverage. That’s what I think they are doing. And it fits with the Latina Supergirl that Muschietti just cast.

In fact, Michael B. Jordan actually claimed in an interview with Oprah back in February 2019 that if he does play Superman it would Calvin Ellis, who is Kal-El from Earth 23 and becomes the President of the United States.

Jordan stated, “I would be Calvin Ellis. There’s another version of Superman from Earth-23. I’m a comic book guy…There’s another version of Superman in another dimension that is black already in the comic books that exist. I think the comic book purists can accept that more than Clark Kent from Kansas. That’s a different thing.”