So I successfully infiltrated

**Scrubber3** · 04-09-21, 16:32

Originally Posted by Firefly

Hmm. How old of a cherokee?

I sorta wanted an open cab experience like the oldee wrangler but also practical

I have an 01 4 door 4wd cherokee that doesn't have a bit of rust on it. Lifted with 33x13.5x15 tires, a slip yolk eliminator, etc..etc... IMHO a wrangler gets old quick. Unless it's a TJ or even a YJ. But to me the XJ cherokee is the sweetspot in capability and practicality. It has no fancy rooftop tent or snorkel. It has character and an engine that won't die. It's spartan and I've made everything that was good about it even better.

If you're ever around the sandhills of NC, hit me up and I'll let you drive it at Uwharrie or something. Be forewarned, you'll have to pay for gas. It can get thirsty.

**Arik** · 04-09-21, 20:32

Originally Posted by Firefly

Hmm. How old of a cherokee?

I sorta wanted an open cab experience like the oldee wrangler but also practical

Basic 4ltr v6 were like early 90s to 2002. I'm sure you've pulled these over before

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If you're looking to go off pavement they're more than capable stock. If you want to go through bogs and climb trees ...also doable but with some mods.

Otherwise anything with 4H & 4L will work. Old Nissan Pathfinders, 4Runners, Chevy/GEO Trackers, Suzuki Vitara/Grand Vitara (based on the Chevy Tracker). Land cruiser, hell even the late 90s Kia Sportage

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**Firefly** · 04-09-21, 20:42

Please put all good 4WD info here
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...98#post2942098

I don’t care about proud boys and you all are spitting good knowledge

**SteyrAUG** · 04-09-21, 22:29

Originally Posted by Five_Point_Five_Six

Honestly, older Jeep Cherokees fill that role really well. You can still find them in decent shape. Another option is a late 90s AWD Honda CRV. I had one for like 4 or 5 years and it did as well or better for my needs than most others. The pretend hardcore offroaders will scoff at them, but in reality most of them are just flatlanders with buyers remorse and insecurities.

The 80s and 90s Ford Bronco I and II's are harder to come by in decent shape, but are still out there.

Hilarious, I'm currently rolling a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo. At any given time their might be a SP1 or MP5 in the back.

**ddbtoth** · 04-09-21, 22:47

Originally Posted by AnCapMan

So I successfully infiltrated got thru vetting and prospect and became 1st degree and left my local PB chapter.

Vetting started in January, and I was put into prospect in February and got my 1st degree in March.

Here is my take. These guys are not what the media portrays. And they aren’t what we portray either.

1st - most of the men involved are decent guys. They are definitely not the brightest bunch. A few of the guys were smart. The rest were conspiracy theorists, Covid deniers (denying it existed), most had none or a vague understanding of private property theory and rights most were anti vaccine, most believe that HIV despite emerging first in 1920, is man made....

They are proudly ignorant of their ignorance. When you attempt to show evidence or historical facts their comeback will be anger or rage. Most of them think they are smart, while simultaneously believing smart people are leftists and liars.

I would say go to 30 dive bars. Grab the loud mouth jerk regular who always ruins everyone’s time. Put those 30 together with maybe 10 normal conservatives. And you have the proud boys chapter.

I really liked a few of the guys but part of leaving means they ghost you.

Overall I would say if you are a degenerate alcoholic, think fisticuffs is a valid way to determine who is right in a debate, are anti science, think you’re a tough guy.... this may be the group for you.

Conservative Men’s club rating 1/5
Militia 0/5 (they are not a militia)
Place for intelligent debate 1/5
Group where driving completely sloshed is condoned 5/5
Drink until you puke club 5/5
Sharing pornographic trans pics 5/5 (not joking)

It’s a pretty awful place for men of intelligence.

If you have any questions feel free to ask and I will give honest answers. I originally had paired up with a national columnist but in the end the story is just not there. It’s a group of drunk blue collar men who would have been Union Dems back until Reagan.

Sounds like ARFCOM.