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    For 5k may I suggest a second generation 4Runner? There kind of the bastard childís of 4 runners cause they lack the removable top of a 1rst gen and most came with the 3.0 that everyone hates and has a overblown (in my opinion) bad rap. I picked up a 2 door model last year which is probably the rarest of all 4runners for $2300. I could have gotten a decent 4 door for a bit less. Mine ran when I got it but had some know issues like bad CVís and valve cover leaks. I pretty much did the whole front end (CVís, bearings, rotors/pads/caliperís) Bilstien 4600ís all around, valve covers/rear cam seals, O2 sensor and a full tune up, Manual hubs, and some other stuff. Anyways I have had it over a year now and itís a great rig. Mine has 4.56 gears and a manual and is a beast off road with 31ís. For a weekend toy they are hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    I see older Jeepís as never ending projects more than just being reliable.
    My '48 CJ2 has been a project for 30+ years. My Dad first, then I. It needs pretty major work now and mainly holds my garage floor down.

    Andy

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    Not sure if available but have you thought of a Mahindra ROXOR?

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    I love the guys saying Jeeps equal need a good mechanic, and yes I'm biased. Let me ask you: how do you think those late 90s Wranglers got 200k on them, sitting in a shop? The 4.0 is a 400k engine all day long, and the transmissions tend do 250k if treated well. I guess I'm just lucky 2x over, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattiep321 View Post
    I love the guys saying Jeeps equal need a good mechanic, and yes I'm biased. Let me ask you: how do you think those late 90s Wranglers got 200k on them, sitting in a shop? The 4.0 is a 400k engine all day long, and the transmissions tend do 250k if treated well. I guess I'm just lucky 2x over, huh?

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    Itís a simple numbers game and reality. Jeep is a lifestyle, a marketing campaign on steroids, but quality and reliability across numbers just isnít there.

    Sample size of 2? Glad they worked out for you. Iíve owned several Jeepís- including a 90ís 4.0 and wanted to love them, got tired of wrenching constantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    It’s a simple numbers game and reality. Jeep is a lifestyle, a marketing campaign on steroids, but quality and reliability across numbers just isn’t there.

    Sample size of 2? Glad they worked out for you. I’ve owned several Jeep’s- including a 90’s 4.0 and wanted to love them, got tired of wrenching constantly.

    I hear Taurus makes great Guns as well...
    Thanks for playing: was the Taurus comment really necessary?

    How many does "several" mean? I told you I owned and enjoyed my sample size of 2, so please let's compare apples to apples. Please include quantity, year and model. Then list the issues you had with your "several" 90's Jeeps. The REALITY is that the Jeep 4.0 is an amazingly bomb-proof engine, ask around. Yes, that doesn't mean that other items in Jeeps get the JD Power highest rating, but without details your argument against them is weak.

    Buying a clapped out 4 runner when you want an open concept is kind of missing the point if you want the option to fold the top down, yeah? Jeep Wranglers in the rust belt rust out fast, true story. But a 100k - 150k mile TJ from a clean southern state can last without issues (other than consumables) for 300 or 400k miles before the engine has issues, again, don't trust me, ask around. I like them because they are such a simple vehicle and easy and cheap to fix if something like the clutch goes out - for me anyway. The added benefit of their offroad capability and the insane aftermarket is what I like about mine.

    The truth is that any older high mileage vehicle you buy is going to have the potential for issues, so by all means be prepared to wrench BUT I would add be smart and only fix the stuff you really can handle. I happen to rebuild engines and change gears in axles very comfortably with excellent results, but some may be limited to changing out O2 sensors or changing oil. Point is buy the cleanest, lowest mileage 4x4 you can afford for your purpose. I prefer the Jeep platform because I am comfortable working on vehicles and own a 72 Nova with an LS, a 34 Dodge pickup with an LS swap, my current Jeep, My 2000 Silverado and...wait for it...my 2017 4 Runner. You could make the argument that I'm comfortable wrenching and FF isn't, and I wouldn't argue the point BUT any pre 2000 vehicle with over 100k miles is going to have some needs. Jeep Wranglers are stupid simple and parts are so cheap: if you can build an upper, you can fix your Jeep and it will last.

    My advice would be to drive one of the options you are considering - if you want an open air vehicle, drive a few of those in that configuration. There's nothing like driving into the woods, into a field, or crawling the mall with the top down in the summer.

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    Find yourself a mid to late 70’sF150 or Chevy 1500 4x4 SWB. With 33-12.50’s and a locking rear diff they are very capable off road. 9” ford rear diffs are tougher than the 10 bolt chevys. Dana 44 front axles hold up good unless you go over a 35” tire. 1 ton axles are a direct swap for the chevys. NP 205 transfer cases will last forever. 78 & 79 Broncos, and Full size K5’s are slick too but will cost a bit more.
    ďI prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.Ē Ė Thomas Jefferson.

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    Find yourself a mid to late 70ísF150 or Chevy 1500 4x4 SWB. With 33-12.50ís and a locking rear diff they are very capable off road. 9Ē ford rear diffs are tougher than the 10 bolt chevys. Dana 44 front axles hold up good unless you go over a 35Ē tire. 1 ton axles are a direct swap for the chevys. NP 205 transfer cases will last forever. 78 & 79 Broncos, and Full size K5ís are slick too but will cost a bit more.
    ďI prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.Ē Ė Thomas Jefferson.

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    Lots of good info here. Lots to take in.

    $5k isnít totally hard and fast. Iím willing to pay more if worth it. I just like a good deal.

    Iíd like to know why the new Bronco is underwhelming. I get Toyota having a good record but some of the Jeeps seem okay.

    Per Crown Vics, while theyíre all I will use as a work vehicle; I simply could never own one as a personal vehicle. I just gotta have some kind of separation there.

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