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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    Just a little perspective regarding 2LT Caron Nazario. He graduated from VA. State in 2016 and most likely commissioned a 2LT the same month of his graduation via that school's ROTC program. That's 5 years in an O1 pay grade. He's 27 years old. I was promoted 1LT at age 23 and CPT 4 months short of my 26th birthday. Then it's a longer haul before Major. This kid is behind the 8 Ball when it comes to advancement in the Army, so maybe his career isn't going so well? He has probably been in the zone for promotion at least twice and has not made the pay grade increase. His ROTC commission will require a 6 year obligation and he may be at the end of that commitment. It's possible that a $1 million dollar lawsuit would make up for not making the cut in the Army? Just my professional opinion.
    I'm with you. 5 years TIG as an 0-1. That means he's not worth having but he's not worth kicking out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    Just a little perspective regarding 2LT Caron Nazario. He graduated from VA. State in 2016 and most likely commissioned a 2LT the same month of his graduation via that school's ROTC program. That's 5 years in an O1 pay grade. He's 27 years old. I was promoted 1LT at age 23 and CPT 4 months short of my 26th birthday. Then it's a longer haul before Major. This kid is behind the 8 Ball when it comes to advancement in the Army, so maybe his career isn't going so well? He has probably been in the zone for promotion at least twice and has not made the pay grade increase. His ROTC commission will require a 6 year obligation and he may be at the end of that commitment. It's possible that a $1 million dollar lawsuit would make up for not making the cut in the Army? Just my professional opinion.
    That explains quite a bit. Even his entitlement and his chip on shoulder.

    I mean he’s likely seen his peers rank up and be worth something while he’s at the bottom.
    He certainly seems argumentative enough.

    Also why he seems to wear his uniform everywhere.

    Your professional opinion is appreciated, sir

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    The Lt's lack of facial expression, slow speech and inability to follow even the simplest instruction had me wondering if the Army had a special needs unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    Just a little perspective regarding 2LT Caron Nazario. He graduated from VA. State in 2016 and most likely commissioned a 2LT the same month of his graduation via that school's ROTC program. That's 5 years in an O1 pay grade. He's 27 years old. I was promoted 1LT at age 23 and CPT 4 months short of my 26th birthday.
    My Infantry CPT son is is one or two year groups ahead of this 2LT, so I'm pretty familiar with the criteria and experience across his experiance, USMA classmates, and buds.

    In this time frame promotion from 2LT to 1LT is pretty much automatic and I want to say is typically about 24 months after commissioning. (There is an 18 mth time in grade requirement).

    The way the LT's joke about it, the requirements are very strict, you have to have a pulse. The way it was explained to me is unless you are identified as non promotable for some reason, 2LT to 1LT is pretty much rubber stamp. You do have to be on active status, which rules out absent without leave, Courtmartial, civvy criminal actions, substance abuse programs, whatever. You could also have a major GOMAR. It could also be for a APFT non-compliance, but they will normally work you into compliance within 6 months and revisit.

    Note that ROTC can have different active duty start. Which can impact their promotion. He could have graduated from college in 2016 but had a late active duty start.

    Promotion to Captain has key development requirements in addition to education (primary of which is the serving command of a platoon or similar depending on branch). But promotion to 1LT does not typically have a key development reqquirement, only completion of BOLC. Which also could have been this guy's issue.

    In any case this guy was seriously off track even 3 years ago.

    Year group 2016 are typically already Captains now working on staff and waiting on command queue to take company command.

    As to merit badges, it's not that uncommon for ROTC grads not to have many / any lately. If you're going to college full-time there is a chance to get one, maybe two but competition's pretty intense. You normally have to be top 50 % to top third order of merit to get a shot at one pre-commission. USMA it's a bit easier as AASLT is taught nearby and they also get a pretty good amount of slots for airborne. Others like EOD, combat diver, etc are much much harder to get.

    Some branches you have pretty good chances of getting classes prior to or immediately after BOLC. But I don't think medical does. IN probably has the best chance, my son has four at this point. (Six if you include RSLC & BLC, which do not have badges). Some of that was order of merit related, some of that branch/unit, some because he worked to get the classes during dead time at BOLC and CCC, etc.

    But knowing a bunch of recent LTs and having had a son as one, I can guarantee you that any kind of negative interaction with the police is of serious concern and would be subject of discussion with their command chain. To an extent most of us in the civilian world would find objectionable. Especially around any of the training posts.

    None of the young officers I know/knew would cop this kind of attitude with a policeman even as butter bars. But in a pool of several thousand 2LT's each year there's going to be some bad apples and some bad situations. I'm aware of 2 in my son's year group that have died unattended due to substance issues. (One was a squadmate as a plebe at USMA)


    This guy had something else going on... He was either working an angle for a payout, was guilty of something, or had a giant chip on his shoulder. Or all of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    I'm not defending 2LT Caron Nazario. As I said before, I would have told him he made a mistake and should have pulled over immediately at the best location he could find along the road - not drive over a mile with your flashers on. He made the whole situation worse.

    Regarding him leading other 18 year olds, the first thing I noticed was no Air Assault patch, no Jump School patch and no combat unit patch. In fact he is part of a medical unit, possibly a male nurse, or working towards his Medical Doctor Degree, but I am guessing something less considering his rank. The only 18 year olds he is leading are some Specialists giving injections and changing bags of saline solution.

    I'm no Zen Master, just a 61 year old who left rural New Mexico to get a free college education from the Army in exchange for a part of my life. Now I am back to that earlier, rural life, away from a lot of the B.S. in the modern world.
    Honestly, I would like to know what the senior Enlisted might have to say in a case like this..
    You talk about time in grade and his promotions all you like, but there is likely a reason for all of that. If you work for an asshole, you're likely to be carrying his day to day water for him.
    That's what is important to note.

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    If he was a 2LT held back from promotion to 1LT he probably never was given a platoon. (If medical does such a thing).

    I'm pretty sure this mess didn't occur because he was a butter bar... he's still a butter bar because of the factors that likely got him into this mess

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    Sad and disgusting.

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    Video from another angle of the capturing and shoot out with the killer. Officer was hit and got back into the fight:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ8roOLYr78

    Bystander's video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9BcjsnTikE


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    Can't say enough about how that LEO conducted himself! Don't really know what to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Video from another angle of the capturing and shoot out with the killer. Officer was hit and got back into the fight:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ8roOLYr78

    Bystander's video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9BcjsnTikE
    Well damn! That bodycam footage is intense. I suspect that shooter has had formal training. LEO takes a rnd, gets up, drives right back into the fight, does a reload, that's a man who has been training and training and it obvious paid off. I thought maybe he was gonna attempt a shot under the car once on the ground, but the goblin was already moving around his truck.
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