Darian Jarrott killing (graphic)

[SteyrAUG]

He said “I love you girls” right before he unbuckled his seatbelt and PIT the guy.

That sucker punched me right in the feels.

Missed that the first time. This might be the most "head in the game" thing I've ever seen. Even most hardcore / badass ninja seal dudes I've known who got shot took the standard 5 second "F'ing hell this guy just shot me" moment to contemplate existence before getting back in the game.

[Uni-Vibe]

That was hard to watch. Somehow i hadn't seen it before.

SteyrAUG is right (isn't he always?) that LEO can't be totally on edge every second. Thinking back, last time I was stopped for expired inspection sticker, I could have done some serious stuff to the officer that stopped me. It only takes half a second. I suppose being a white guy in a suit, he didn't expect trouble. But you never know.

I catch myself doing that. When I go to the bank, I unconsciously assess threats based on how people are dressed. Guy in a suit, I hardly notice. But how do I know he's not a jugger?

How did that ever happen? I mean, if the Feds ask any HPD or Harris County Sheriff I know to stop somebody, they're not going to let the guy twitch once they see an AR with a sling. Here Officer didn't even have his hand on his pistol when Bad Guy exits the truck with the rifle.

After all that I can't blame Firefly for his world view.

If I was LEO I'd want to approach every encounter with my front sight on their chest, taking up trigger slack . . .

[Vandal]

SteyrAUG is right (isn't he always?) that LEO can't be totally on edge every second. Thinking back, last time I was stopped for expired inspection sticker, I could have done some serious stuff to the officer that stopped me. It only takes half a second. I suppose being a white guy in a suit, he didn't expect trouble. But you never know.

Every cop who has been on the job for more than a couple of years is alive simply because someone they contacted, decided not to kill them that day. Everyone we meet could kill us until proven otherwise, leads to some pretty fvcked up trust issues.

I'll add this in to my post too, as a street level cop don't trust a Fed unless they are known to you personally. They will gladly use then dump you.

[SteyrAUG]

Every cop who has been on the job for more than a couple of years is alive simply because someone they contacted, decided not to kill them that day. Everyone we meet could kill us until proven otherwise, leads to some pretty fvcked up trust issues.

I really do think "police interaction 101" should be an actual middle school required course. Some will say you'll just train bad people to conceal their intentions, but bad people are already pretty well versed as the video in the OP showed. They can go from zero to cop taking rounds in the blink of an eye with zero remorse or hesitation. Ordinary people on the other hand constantly do dumb shit that is scary as F to your average LEO without even considering why it would be scary. I've seen people shove guys way into dark orange for no better reason than "shit...I got weed...I forgot."

[Vandal]

I really do think "police interaction 101" should be an actual middle school required course. Some will say you'll just train bad people to conceal their intentions, but bad people are already pretty well versed as the video in the OP showed. They can go from zero to cop taking rounds in the blink of an eye with zero remorse or hesitation. Ordinary people on the other hand constantly do dumb shit that is scary as F to your average LEO without even considering why it would be scary. I've seen people shove guys way into dark orange for no better reason than "shit...I got weed...I forgot."

Or my personal favorite "I thought I had a warrant, that's why I fought" as the ambulance is rolling up for transport. Turns out, dude didn't have a warrant but came out of the car like a spider monkey on a stop.

I can still pinpoint my first "holy shit I should have died" moment, but I only have 5 years on.

[pag23]

Every cop who has been on the job for more than a couple of years is alive simply because someone they contacted, decided not to kill them that day. Everyone we meet could kill us until proven otherwise, leads to some pretty fvcked up trust issues.

I'll add this in to my post too, as a street level cop don't trust a Fed unless they are known to you personally. They will gladly use then dump you.

Even some of the Feds I know, cringe at ATF and HSI "cooperation" with local LE out west...

[jsbhike]

I really do think "police interaction 101" should be an actual middle school required course. Some will say you'll just train bad people to conceal their intentions, but bad people are already pretty well versed as the video in the OP showed. They can go from zero to cop taking rounds in the blink of an eye with zero remorse or hesitation. Ordinary people on the other hand constantly do dumb shit that is scary as F to your average LEO without even considering why it would be scary. I've seen people shove guys way into dark orange for no better reason than "shit...I got weed...I forgot."

And also start repealing victimless crime laws that are the impetus for a large percentage of the interactions. Negative outcomes are not a unidirectional issue.

https://abc13.com/harding-street-rai...d-hpd/5885310/

[joedirt199]

I love how people claim drugs have no victims. Never knew a functioning drug addict that went to work to feed their addiction. Women don't pay money for drugs, they pay with sex and their unexpected pregnancies are the result. Kid at our daycare found her dad dead from an overdose and mom was no where to be found since she was out doping too. Cutest little girl being raised by her grandparents. I have kicked people out of homes where they care more about the bullshit property they acquired than they do about their kids having a clean bed to sleep on or clean clothes to wear. Sorry but legal drugs do not make a better working class individual. If they can't afford it on their hard work, they will work harder to acquire it by illegal means.

[jsbhike]

I love how people claim drugs have no victims. Never knew a functioning drug addict that went to work to feed their addiction. Women don't pay money for drugs, they pay with sex and their unexpected pregnancies are the result. Kid at our daycare found her dad dead from an overdose and mom was no where to be found since she was out doping too. Cutest little girl being raised by her grandparents. I have kicked people out of homes where they care more about the bullshit property they acquired than they do about their kids having a clean bed to sleep on or clean clothes to wear. Sorry but legal drugs do not make a better working class individual. If they can't afford it on their hard work, they will work harder to acquire it by illegal means.

Everything under the sun can have a deleterious effect on others. What else would you like to criminalize? Firearms laws are another area of victimless crime of course.

As far as drugs go, alcohol was, is, and always will be damaging to society. That being said, whatever reduction in alcohol use that occurred during prohibition was more than compensated for by the crime that boomed from making it illegal.

Not saying it can't happen, but I don't recall seeing Bud and Miller salesman/delivery drivers getting in shootouts with each other or police over sales.

[WillBrink]

Everything under the sun can have a deleterious effect on others. What else would you like to criminalize? Firearms laws are another area of victimless crime of course.

As far as drugs go, alcohol was, is, and always will be damaging to society. That being said, whatever reduction in alcohol use that occurred during prohibition was more than compensated for by the crime that boomed from making it illegal.

Not saying it can't happen, but I don't recall seeing Bud and Miller salesman/delivery drivers getting in shootouts with each other or police over sales.

Anyone at this point who thinks the war on drugs was not lost a long time ago by any metric and or prohibition is a net benefit to society at this point, is not paying attention. I don't personally dwell on the term "victimless" crime. There's always potential victims, the issue is always what's the most effective route to minimize it while not ignoring Const Rights and Individual Liberties in the process. I was definitely the "victim" of alcoholics growing up, and I know that sure as hell would not improve with making it illegal. You can't have more people dying by a wide margin from legal drugs than all illegal drugs combined, then expect anyone to not find see the hypocrisy and ignore the laws for their drug(s) of choice and so forth.