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Thread: ATF proposed rule change. Time to comment. UPDATE in OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    I hate to say it but we could actually use the NRA now to injunction spam them and run interference.
    I’ve been saying for years, like the NRA or not, the NRA-ILA is more effective than ten GOAs. Of course they only care when Ds are in power.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mRad View Post
    I’ve been saying for years, like the NRA or not, the NRA-ILA is more effective than ten GOAs. Of course they only care when Ds are in power.


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    And that is why the ILA, and not the NRA, have been the only people to see money from me beyond my membership fees.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    So,I read the summary, and then the extended summary; I still don’t know what is going on.

    before we get into the details of what is marked on marked, what happens when you have split receivers and they are both serialized, but interchangeable with other ones. Do you have to fill out paperwork for two firearms every time you transfer that? Because you could always just transfer 1/2 or the other?

    It sure seems that if you brought out an AR design now, you would have to serialize the upper and lower. But the summary implies that the A.R. 15 lower being serialized only would stay? How far from the AR 15 design would you have to get before they make you start registering the upper and lower.?

    It doesn’t seem as if the standard A.R. parts kit sounds lower would have to be serialized, based on the question above.

    So it seems like they want to make it so that no gun can be produced without some kind of serial number? No more personally made guns that end up in commerce either through a sale or being stolen.

    So if I 3-D print an A.R. 15 lower, how long do I have to get it to a entity that serializers them?

    My worry is that as written and interpreted that this does not really change very much, but that in the future someone will sue and say that the A.R. 15‘s all need their upper and lower receivers serialized.

    I want to send in a comment, but I’m not sure exactly what I would be commenting on or against- with out sounding like “MuY GUnS!”.
    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

    It's that simple.

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    Looks like it will be posted in the Federal Register Friday. Pistol Brace ruling coming out also shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combat_Diver View Post
    Looks like it will be posted in the Federal Register Friday. Pistol Brace ruling coming out also shortly.

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    Is that where you can comment on it or did they skip that step?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opngrnd View Post
    Is that where you can comment on it or did they skip that step?
    https://www.regulations.gov/commento...2021-0001-0001

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    Is it me or did I miss a couple million mass murders where the terrorist/killer/venting protestor left his AR-15 behind and because it had no serial number, the FBI/police/Lebron were unable to crack the crime and millions of murderers/jihadists/capitol trespassers were able to "excape" and commit more heinous acts of villainy? Of the 10,000+ firearm murders in the U.S. how many were actually committed with the dreaded "ghost gun"? Are we back to the Clinton era "assault rifle" ban plan that has zero data supporting any reason for it to even exist?
    "Why "zombies"? Because calling it 'training to stop a rioting, starving, panicking, desperate mob after a complete governmental financial collapse apocalypse' is just too wordy." or in light of current events: training to stop a rioting, looting, molotov cocktail throwing, skinny jeans wearing, uneducated bunch of lemmings duped by, or working directly for, a marxist organization attempting to tear down America while hiding behind a race-based name

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocsteady View Post
    Is it me or did I miss a couple million mass murders where the terrorist/killer/venting protestor left his AR-15 behind and because it had no serial number, the FBI/police/Lebron were unable to crack the crime and millions of murderers/jihadists/capitol trespassers were able to "excape" and commit more heinous acts of villainy? Of the 10,000+ firearm murders in the U.S. how many were actually committed with the dreaded "ghost gun"? Are we back to the Clinton era "assault rifle" ban plan that has zero data supporting any reason for it to even exist?

    Ugh no, none of that matters.

    They want to disarm you. To do that they need everything registered or on a list, to do that they need to either make everything NFA or implement UBC, or both, before that, everything is gonna need a serial number, you are here.

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    The gov does not want a balance of power. They want it all.
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