ATF proposed rule change. Time to comment. UPDATE in OP.

[AndyLate]

A lot of this issue is the AR should have had the upper be the registered part in the first place. When the ATF decided the lower is the reciever is when they screwed up. Almost no other guns are like this.

Most automatic pistols

[Renegade]

When the ATF decided the lower is the reciever is when they screwed up. Almost no other guns are like this.

Keep in mind it was decided in late 50's, well before ATF existed, before SNs were even required for Title I.

[TMS951]

Most automatic pistols

I was thinking of rifles, but you raise a great point here.

Keep in mind it was decided in late 50's, well before ATF existed, before SNs were even required for Title I.

That I didn’t know. You learn something new everyday.

[Renegade]

That I didn’t know. You learn something new everyday.

Well maybe the early 60s, as not sure Armalite made a Title I AR. But Colt did, still before GCA68/ATF.

[SteyrAUG]

A lot of this issue is the AR should have had the upper be the registered part in the first place. When the ATF decided the lower is the reciever is when they screwed up. Almost no other guns are like this.

Not really, in trying to define what a "firearm" is, they basically decided the part that accepts ammunition or a magazine is the receiver. This is why it's upper receivers for FALs and lower receivers for ARs. It's not always the part the barrel attaches to because of break open shotguns and things like that.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

God that would be an epic goat ****. Imagine all the hoarders and ‘collectors’ who are meant to go out and have the upper of their precious nib colt 6920 serialized.

The number of uppers that would need to be serialiezed is in the 10s of millions if not hundreds. All that said I don’t put it past them to intend exactly that.

A lot of this issue is the AR should have had the upper be the registered part in the first place. When the ATF decided the lower is the reciever is when they screwed up. Almost no other guns are like this.

Plus, making the upper the registered part would have probably made the ARs less dominant. Lowers are cheaper than finished uppers, uppers are more variable than lowers. We are lucky that they did it the way that they did. Plus, it has the trigger, hard to do anything with out a trigger and the magazine.

[SteyrAUG]

Plus, making the upper the registered part would have probably made the ARs less dominant. Lowers are cheaper than finished uppers, uppers are more variable than lowers. We are lucky that they did it the way that they did. Plus, it has the trigger, hard to do anything with out a trigger and the magazine.

It's even dumber with NFA stuff.

A lightning link is considered not only a firearm but a machine gun. Please demonstrate how you can shoot anyone with just a lighting link.

Suppressors are considered "firearms", please shoot me with just a suppressor.

I can understand the desire to identify the critical component of a firearm and mark it with a serial number. But a receiver in an of itself should never qualify as a firearm because it can't function as a firearm. Only a fully assembled firearm is a firearm and parts are parts even if you wish to identify which part is the critical component part.

For more than a century we've demonstrated that you can't control bad people by regulating firearms. They registered all the Bonnie and Clyde guns and the Manson family still just walked into your home and stabbed people to death. If you can't learn from that object lesson, then you cannot learn.

Yes it's a good idea to keep guns out of the wrong hands, but I have to ask...if those people are so damn dangerous to society that as soon as they get their hands on a gun they will go on a killing spree...should they really be walking around free in the first place. They sound pretty dangerous and unstable and I wouldn't want them to have a gallon of gasoline and a lighter.

ATF really is the equivalent of 1920s beach resort officers deciding which bathing suits meet their standards and which bathing suits require a person to cover up and receive a citation. They need to be an agency of regulation that makes sure guns are regulated like alcohol and tobacco and collect related taxes and maintain records (something they barely do right now and they think they can maintain a nation wide database), these are the same people that can't even keep NFA records accurate and up to date.

Gun runners, drug cartels and manufacturers of illegal machine guns...that sounds like a job for the FBI, the DEA and similar agencies, perhaps a joint task force from time to time.

[Alex V]

So wait... are we able to comment yet or not because I am unable to find it either.

[Krazykarl]

Any progress noted on our chance to comment?

[ViperTwoSix]

Nothing available as far as comments yet, but the Senate Judiciary Committee had a hearing about this on May 11th.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/mee...nce-ghost-guns

The witness testimony was interesting, but the question and answer session was the usual political dog and pony show. Senators on both sides of the coin structure their questions so that the answers support their views.