I was shocked to see this about cars...

[just a scout]

Ineos is a plastics company. My thought was this was a test mule for auto part tech, but it seems like a real vehicle. Looks like a 110 series. Any one know if this is just vapor ware?

https://ineosgrenadier.com/en-us

Looks a 110 and a G-Wagen met in the bar for drinks and wound up in the hotel room.


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[Arik]

It sorta sticks in my craw these ev's are so damn fast...having had 650hp traditional American front engine / rwd muscle & the rumble when she turns over would send tingles. Now you have instant torque to all four rubbers & you can't even hear it while it walks away from you. It doesn't have the romance but they will have the edge at the red light. I predict a lot of car crashes once all these sparky's hit the road.

They're all over the place here. Damn near a fad. Like every 3rd car. Most shopping centers now have at least one charging station. No unusual amount of accidents. Those who run lights will run lights and your avg car doesn't rumble or have 650hp. A Toyota Camry running a light is not loud. And your avg driver has their music up, and talking to or texting or web surfing so they're not paying attention to noise if they hear it at all.


It's the same argument as blood on the streets if you let people carry guns.

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[vicious_cb]

Back to the original question - Porsche now uses 'turbo' as a label for 'faster/most expensive model' whether the car has a turbo or not. As for EV vs. ICE, both have their pros and cons as pointed out here, and the preference is personal. For a daily commuter, I don't think I'd mind a EV since I don't have a long commute and it'd be convenient to recharge the car each night, but for a weekend 'fun' car where I'd want to drive without worrying about charging, I lean more to regular ICE sports cars. I wouldn't mind a PHEV (plug-in hybrid electric vehicle) like the SF90. I'm curious to see the new Corvette E-ray (hybrid) and how that turns out. While I love the sound of a good ICE, I guess it'd be easier to avoid attention if you could accelerate quickly silently. Kind of like Blue Thunder on 'whisper mode'.

Thats assuming the people have ability to buy a "weekend" car. As for personal preference if you enjoy cars at all then I wouldnt even consider an EV, you might as well be in a driving simulator in regards to feel and the enjoyment of driving. EVs have their pros, instant torque is cool and by all means buy one and help fund the colonization of Mars but Im sorry, all those silicon valley commies talking about their Teslas like a new iphone is not car culture to me.

Ive driven a hybrid for 10+ years, as cool as it is going ninja mode at slow speeds it gets old with constant start-stop jerky action. Not worth the trade off.

You guys are so cute. Thinking they are gonna let us drive.

Nah they'll brainwash everyone into believing the environmentalism BS they'll give up cars on their own like good little sheep. Millennials have the lowest car ownership numbers out of all the age demos.

How much gas do you have stocked up? Do you know what the shelf life of gas is when not stored properly?

At least with an EV you could charge it from your solar panels if you had to.

Not to mention, they don't break down like engines do. They require basically no maintenance. So if you had an off grid prepper wet dream kind of place with all solar and an EV, you would be good for like 20 years, vs. everyone else who would run out of gas in a month or less, or have said gas become useless after a year or two.

You are acting like one of those guys who think they are smartest people in the room and that people are too stupid to see the awesomeness of EVs or know what fuel stabilizer is.

I have to wonder what your agenda is for shilling so hard for EVs.

[okie]

Thats assuming the people have ability to buy a "weekend" car. As for personal preference if you enjoy cars at all then I wouldnt even consider an EV, you might as well be in a driving simulator in regards to feel and the enjoyment of driving. EVs have their pros, instant torque is cool and by all means buy one and help fund the colonization of Mars but Im sorry, all those silicon valley commies talking about their Teslas like a new iphone is not car culture to me.

Ive driven a hybrid for 10+ years, as cool as it is going ninja mode at slow speeds it gets old with constant start-stop jerky action. Not worth the trade off.



Nah they'll brainwash everyone into believing the environmentalism BS they'll give up cars on their own like good little sheep. Millennials have the lowest car ownership numbers out of all the age demos.



You are acting like one of those guys who think they are smartest people in the room and that people are too stupid to see the awesomeness of EVs or know what fuel stabilizer is.

I have to wonder what your agenda is for shilling so hard for EVs.

You obviously know nothing about them, other than the fact that you don't like them on an emotional level because you associate them with a leftist agenda. Just because you don't like them and want to revert to some retrogressive state, that doesn't make me a know it all, much less a shill.

The fact of the matter is you're about to wake up in a world that you hardly recognize, whether you like it or not. Lashing out at technology won't change that, and your attitude in that regard will only harden the hearts of people who might otherwise be receptive to hearing sound arguments about the ethics of how that technology will be used. It's like the internet connection in your house. You can use it to learn new skills and communicate with people, or you can use it to watch porn and troll people on 4chan. The more people who use it for the former, the better our society will be.

EVs will eventually, as a neutral technology, represent a massive benefit to our society. They're going to dramatically lower the cost of transportation, and along with driverless technology, save lives and make people way more productive. Can that be coopted by an authoritarian government and used for evil? Well of course it can, but only if we let it.

[Diamondback]

The other problem with EV's is, how do you propose to generate the terawatts or petawatts of new power capacity the grid is gonna need to feed 'em all? Unicorn-farts-and-pixie-dust "green energy" can't deliver the required energy and reliability, and consumes more in fabrication than it delivers in production. MODERNIZED nuclear with molten-salt or thorium reactors would do the job, but that requires political leadership and a public who can muster the brainpower deposited in the john with my average Bowl Blaster after a Bad Day at the Mongolian Buffet...

[mRad]

You obviously know nothing about them, other than the fact that you don't like them on an emotional level because you associate them with a leftist agenda. Just because you don't like them and want to revert to some retrogressive state, that doesn't make me a know it all, much less a shill.

The fact of the matter is you're about to wake up in a world that you hardly recognize, whether you like it or not. Lashing out at technology won't change that, and your attitude in that regard will only harden the hearts of people who might otherwise be receptive to hearing sound arguments about the ethics of how that technology will be used. It's like the internet connection in your house. You can use it to learn new skills and communicate with people, or you can use it to watch porn and troll people on 4chan. The more people who use it for the former, the better our society will be.

EVs will eventually, as a neutral technology, represent a massive benefit to our society. They're going to dramatically lower the cost of transportation, and along with driverless technology, save lives and make people way more productive. Can that be coopted by an authoritarian government and used for evil? Well of course it can, but only if we let it.

If EVs are the future, why aren’t we upgrading our ability to generate electricity? Our grid needs tons of work, especially in California where these cars will likely be widely accepted. As much as talked about gasoline storage in this thread, I can store gasoline much easier than I can store electricity.

I foresee many situations where people would be cranking up their gasoline generators to charge their cars because they have to get to work.

I hope the technology does improve to become viable for those other than the short-range commuters. I hope we do take the shortcomings of our electrical grid and power generation seriously and come up with viable power generation methods cheaper and cleaner than coal. I also hope we drop the stigma of nuclear energy.

And for the love of god, $15k for every five years for batteries is insanity. While engine maintenance isn’t going to be a thing, things like bearings, belts, tires, etc are still going to cost money. The higher buy-in price means there probably isn’t any cost of ownership savings to EVs….in fact, it’s probably more expensive to own. Oh, and you have to pay for that electricity which is just going to get higher.

Our 2014 Mazda 6 has 180k on. We’ve so replaced the belt twice, one bearing, and tires three times. We were due for a battery, decided to hold off but the original is holding out for now. And it gets 40 mpg highway.


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[Artos]

They're all over the place here.

not the 0-60 in under 3 second versions...once they start craning those out to the masses, you better look out.

[Arik]

not the 0-60 in under 3 second versions...once they start craning those out to the masses, you better look out.

I don't know if we're talking about the same thing but EVs like Teslas are 0-60 in under 3 seconds. They've been out for years and years. There's even a model with "Ludicrous mode" that does 0-60 in 2.5. It's been out since like 2016

Besides what's the difference? If 0-6 is 4 seconds everything is so much safer? I'm not sure how you think they work but touching the gas pedal doesn't instantly put you at 60 ....or whatever. You can drive it like any other car.

As for being common. All over the place here. Drive around here and about every 3rd car is a Tesla. Pull up to a Trader Joe's or Whole Foods or a nice restaurant and the parking lot may as well be a Tesla dealership. And kids drive them too. Plenty of families here who use Tesla as a every day family car which the kids use too.




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[Esq.]

The national grid that goes out in Hot or Cold weather is going to support a conversion to everyone driving electric cars how exactly? Everyone going to have a personal Unicorn Fart Factory in their own back yard? It's the height of F'ing stupidity and so easily seen as a problem and yet, here we go....

[hotrodder636]

I want to like the evolution of the EV. I do see how there is a carbon footprint reduction after some time. I read an article from Forbes IIRC, that went through cost comparison at various intervals and showed that after so many miles (don’t remember how many) the EV becomes more carbon friendly but it isn’t immediate.

The problems I see with mass adoption is battery production, battery/waste handling and the power grid. The grid has been discussed and as great as renewables are, they do not provide base load—right now the only carbon-free tech we have that does that is Nuclear. Next Gen nuclear is where we need to be putting research money into. What to do with dead batteries seems like an environmental nightmare when these things become mainstream.