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    Quote Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil View Post
    Forty-eight Republican senators signed a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday slamming the Biden Administration’s plan to ban most pistol braces.

    Republican senators said the ATF made the devices popular by initially approving their design and then expanding their legal use in a 2017 determination. They accused the agency “suddenly chang[ing] course” on their legality after nearly a decade. They said the ATF’s turnabout was “shocking,” and accused it of trying to “yank the rug out from under” law-abiding American gun owners who have purchased upwards of 7 million of the devices.


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    Did 48 'shocked' republican Senator's sign a letter slamming the Trump admin for 'suddenly changing course on [bump stock] legality after a decade' and 'yanked the rug out from under law-abiding citizens'?

    Next I suppose the NRA will say they are shocked that additional regulations would even be considered on a device the ATF has already approved. shocking I tell ya... shocking.

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    Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.
    When bump stocks came under fire and the pro rights community (including far too many here) just didn’t care because bump stocks are “fudd”, Many people including myself warned others that it was opening Pandora’s box to just up and make a piece of plastic illegal and it would have enduring consequences.

    Well, they’re gonna go after everything at a granular level now, it’s exactly what we get for not fighting every battle, together and instead letting each other hang separately because “I don’t use those stupid things” Types of attitudes.

    Pistol braces are just the next thing, “ghost guns” are too. They won’t ease up even a little bit until people unite en masse.

    It’s the same thing with pistol braces right now, look at the comments in this site- people just don’t get it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    When bump stocks came under fire and the pro rights community (including far too many here) just didn’t care because bump stocks are “fudd”, Many people including myself warned others that it was opening Pandora’s box to just up and make a piece of plastic illegal and it would have enduring consequences.

    Well, they’re gonna go after everything at a granular level now, it’s exactly what we get for not fighting every battle, together and instead letting each other hang separately because “I don’t use those stupid things” Types of attitudes.

    Pistol braces are just the next thing, “ghost guns” are too. They won’t ease up even a little bit until people unite en masse.

    It’s the same thing with pistol braces right now, look at the comments in this site- people just don’t get it!
    Bingo.

    Other gun boards were the same. Lots of people were in the....this is not the hill I'm dying on...camp. I said back then and I still believe it today, the 2A will never be abolished, at least not any time soon. Instead it will be regulated out of existence. First by accessories and looks. Stocks, grips, shrouds mags. Then by action type. Semi, lever, bolt... Everything is going to be "common sense". You don't need a semi auto. Then you don't need a lever action that hold 10 rounds. All the way to single shot.

    And finally by bureaucracy through licensing, fees, storage, ....etc...I wouldn't doubt if there would be a psychiatrist appointment, a sheriff visit, ..etc... Of course everything will have a nice fee associated with it, there will be long waits for appointments. They're will be only half dozen psychiatrists in your area who are certified to do these types of "interviews" and they'll only be available 1 day a week between 2pm and 3pm on Wednesday! Just perfect timing! However the Dems will still be able to say they "respect" the constitution and the 2A and that anyone can still get a firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    When bump stocks came under fire and the pro rights community (including far too many here) just didn’t care because bump stocks are “fudd”, Many people including myself warned others that it was opening Pandora’s box to just up and make a piece of plastic illegal and it would have enduring consequences.

    Well, they’re gonna go after everything at a granular level now, it’s exactly what we get for not fighting every battle, together and instead letting each other hang separately because “I don’t use those stupid things” Types of attitudes.

    Pistol braces are just the next thing, “ghost guns” are too. They won’t ease up even a little bit until people unite en masse.

    It’s the same thing with pistol braces right now, look at the comments in this site- people just don’t get it!
    Indifferent gun owners, a duplicitous NRA and flip-flopping Washington politicians are disappointing.

    Fortunately, we're making progress here in Tennessee. Governor Lee recently signed legislation making Tennessee a 2A sanctuary state. He also just signed into law permitless handgun carry aka 'constitutional carry'. As a bonus, teaching critical race theory is now banned from public schools. Our boys in Nashville have been busy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil View Post
    Indifferent gun owners, a duplicitous NRA and flip-flopping Washington politicians are disappointing.

    Fortunately, we're making progress here in Tennessee. Governor Lee recently signed legislation making Tennessee a 2A sanctuary state. He also just signed into law permitless handgun carry aka 'constitutional carry'. As a bonus, teaching critical race theory is now banned from public schools. Our boys in Nashville have been busy.
    Go Tennessee! That all sounds wonderful.

    I’ve always had my eye on TN for relocation when I can’t stand CO anymore.

    Are you guys seeing much influx of Néw Yorkistannis, Commiefornians, etc?

    Is the progressive blue plague making its way there, yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    Go Tennessee! That all sounds wonderful.

    I’ve always had my eye on TN for relocation when I can’t stand CO anymore.

    Are you guys seeing much influx of Néw Yorkistannis, Commiefornians, etc?

    Is the progressive blue plague making its way there, yet?
    Unfortunately, yes. According to U-Haul, Tennessee was #1 during 2020, followed by Texas and Florida.

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    More People Moved to Tennessee in 2020 Than Any Other State, According to a New Report
    Texas and Florida came in second and third, respectively, on U-Haul's 2020 migration growth list.


    "I'm seeing a lot of people from California move (to Tennessee) because they're attracted to our lifestyle," said Jeff Porter, U-Haul Company of Nashville president, in a press release. "Tennessee has no income tax and is very business-friendly. There are plenty of jobs. People and companies are taking note. Places like Nashville, Murfreesboro and Clarksville are attracting tons of new residents."

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    Fortunately, we've been taking Ivermectin to keep the blue virus in check... haha. We overwhelming voted for Trump twice, flushed the traitor US Senator Corker, and continue to maintain strong republican majorities in the State House (73/26) and Senate (27/6).

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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    When bump stocks came under fire and the pro rights community (including far too many here) just didn’t care because bump stocks are “fudd”, Many people including myself warned others that it was opening Pandora’s box to just up and make a piece of plastic illegal and it would have enduring consequences.

    Well, they’re gonna go after everything at a granular level now, it’s exactly what we get for not fighting every battle, together and instead letting each other hang separately because “I don’t use those stupid things” Types of attitudes.

    Pistol braces are just the next thing, “ghost guns” are too. They won’t ease up even a little bit until people unite en masse.

    It’s the same thing with pistol braces right now, look at the comments in this site- people just don’t get it!
    So I think pistol braces are stupid, but that doesn't mean I support ATF efforts to criminalize them. I do think people should have seen this coming and possibly set the stage, but that doesn't mean I support ATF efforts to criminalize them.

    But more importantly, and what I've said all along, is that it's sad that people pay attention to this gomer shit when way more important issues have existed all along since 1968 and in a painful irony are the issues that allow ATF to make these "in the tail on the donkey" determinations in the first place.

    People are bemoaning that only 100,000 gun owners posted their opposition to ATFs gun brace determination. If we could get 100,000 gun owners to understand what the "sporter clause" is and oppose that...we wouldn't be dealing with 90% of this crap.

    Get rid of the sporter clause and:

    Arms braces...it doesn't matter. There is no qualifier for acceptability of a firearm in any configuration.

    80% receivers...it wouldn't matter. It's not even a part and ATF wouldn't have the ability to make blanket determinations.

    Declaring uppers to be a firearm, binary triggers, etc. All that crap goes out the window. ATF has no magic wand to wave around and turn apples into oldsmobiles.

    But probably fewer than 5% of all gun owners understand that the "sporter clause" is even there let alone how it works so we are left with "Hands off my arm brace handgun!!"
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    Federal regulations are made via rulemaking. Congress grants rulemaking authority to federal agencies, ATF being among them. You could strip out sporting purposes language from the GCA but it wouldn't have prevented the ATF from determining that a bump stock met machine gun definitions, then proceed with rulemaking process. Same with so-called pistol brace configurations. On the other hand, rulemaking attempt on M855 type ammo did rely on sporting purposes language.

    Back in 2015, HR 2170 was introduced to address multiple issues concerning GCA sporting purposes language. It went nowhere.

    The NRA advocated for rulemaking to regulate bump stocks in part because they feared a worse result if congress acted. At the time, Diane Feinstein was pounding the table that regulating bump stocks required congress to act.

    It's nice to fantasize about coulda woulda shoulda gonna fights but ya still gotta fight the fight that's in front of ya, regardless if you think it's 'stupid'. Right now it's braces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil View Post
    Federal regulations are made via rulemaking. Congress grants rulemaking authority to federal agencies, ATF being among them. You could strip out sporting purposes language from the GCA but it wouldn't have prevented the ATF from determining that a bump stock met machine gun definitions, then proceed with rulemaking process. Same with so-called pistol brace configurations. On the other hand, rulemaking attempt on M855 type ammo did rely on sporting purposes language.

    Back in 2015, HR 2170 was introduced to address multiple issues concerning GCA sporting purposes language. It went nowhere.

    The NRA advocated for rulemaking to regulate bump stocks in part because they feared a worse result if congress acted. At the time, Diane Feinstein was pounding the table that regulating bump stocks required congress to act.

    It's nice to fantasize about coulda woulda shoulda gonna fights but ya still gotta fight the fight that's in front of ya, regardless if you think it's 'stupid'. Right now it's braces.
    So the "sporter clause" might not have stopped ATF from changing definitions of machine guns, but it would have put an end to 95% of the "ATF has determined" nonsense.

    That you even want to argue this point is astonishing. If there were no "sporter clause" we wouldn't be having the arm brace discussion at all and could be focused on more important things.

    For every guy whose mantra is "the second amendment isn't about duck hunting", I simply want to ask, where do you think they got that idea? And the reason they keep us busy with arm braces and other absurd shit is so nobody goes "Hey what if we got rid of the idea that guns were only about target shooting or hunting?"
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    So the "sporter clause" might not have stopped ATF from changing definitions of machine guns, but it would have put an end to 95% of the "ATF has determined" nonsense.

    That you even want to argue this point is astonishing. If there were no "sporter clause" we wouldn't be having the arm brace discussion at all and could be focused on more important things.

    For every guy whose mantra is "the second amendment isn't about duck hunting", I simply want to ask, where do you think they got that idea? And the reason they keep us busy with arm braces and other absurd shit is so nobody goes "Hey what if we got rid of the idea that guns were only about target shooting or hunting?"
    This. Somebody needs to get a hold of Hinson in Iowa and tell her that her RIFLE Act is just feelgood until she strikes at Sporter Clause or NFA34.
    https://bearingarms.com/john-petroli...a-taxes-n46971

    As a bonus, RIFLE doesn't do jack about the registration requirement, just wipes out the taxes which can ALWAYS be reinstated later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    This. Somebody needs to get a hold of Hinson in Iowa and tell her that her RIFLE Act is just feelgood until she strikes at Sporter Clause or NFA34.
    https://bearingarms.com/john-petroli...a-taxes-n46971

    As a bonus, RIFLE doesn't do jack about the registration requirement, just wipes out the taxes which can ALWAYS be reinstated later.
    We also want to make damn sure we are in a good position before we open up the NFA to any changes. It's not that I'm worried about the value of my NFA collection, but if that $200 tax were adjusted for inflation, then suppressors would become incredibly expensive...again.

    We need to know what we are going after and we need to do it in the correct order. Aside from opening the registry to new machine guns both foreign and domestic we don't want to make any other real changes. That $200 mostly covered the background check, it doesn't even offset the cost of maintenance of records or a full staffed group of examiners.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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