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    Lightest, smallest, Flash/Brake combo???

    Got my SAIGA FE converted, and now have the 24X 1.5 mm threads. What brake works, reduces flash, AND does well on noise (linear)? Yes, I want it all. Thanks.

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    To the best of my experience brakes are noise enhancers unless they are the first chamber of an add on suppressor.

    The FN FAL/FNC style flash/brake probably gives the best performance of any combo, but it certainly isn't quiet.
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    Thanks.

    I am liking (from what I read) the Krebs 4 prong, but for now it is non existent. They have a three prong that is also a brake of sorts, but needs exact positioning - maybe not a problem with the 24mm barrel shroud. If DA gets their SHORT gunfighter FH out that may be the ticket - seems to be like a Glock. Does all good enough.

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    Egad. Well, the original Russian '74 muzzle break does cut down on flash compared to a bare muzzle. They weigh about 4 oz, which is roughly what any of the suppressor attachment flash hiders weigh.

    I'm not aware of any testing of 24mm muzzle devices, unfortunately. If you just need less flash than a bare muzzle, the Russian '74 type or anything with an expansion chamber should work.

    Low flash powder helps a lot with a chambered brake, IIRC. I remember noticing a huge difference between Wolf .223 (no flash suppressant) and Q3131A (flash suppressant) shooting a night match with a 5.56 AK that used a Russian type '74 brake. The muzzle flash from the Wolf was bright enough to affect my night adjusted vision.

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    This is 7.62 and so its still a mess with bad powder. I have a '74, and did not understand how limited 24mm was till I started to search. In a sense its a real disadvantage in the system. The DA short fighter brake in 24 mm may be the ticket. OOS now.

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    Have you considered abandoning the brake function entirely? If you're dealing with flashy powder, you might need a dedicated flash hider to avoid blinding yourself at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries144 View Post
    Have you considered abandoning the brake function entirely? If you're dealing with flashy powder, you might need a dedicated flash hider to avoid blinding yourself at night.
    I'm also curious why you want a brake function. 7.62x39 isn't usually a problem to control. It would be a lot of weight, but take a look at Dead Air's Wolverine suppressor.
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    That's a really good point. If you want reduction of recoil, flash, and noise, you're describing a suppressor. A can would be perfect if you don't mind NFA.

    The Wolverine is a plug and play solution that's built like a tank and made by a great company, but I'd try taping a 25oz weight to the front of your rifle and doing some dry drills before you consider it. I don't care how much ya bench or how much Testosteroid 5000 you suck down, 25oz on the muzzle end will be detrimental to your accurate performance when unsupported.

    I know you don't want to hear this after going to lengths to get a proper 24mm Russian front end, but I ended up getting my 5.56 AK's muzzle threaded for 1/2x28 to run a lighter, quieter can.
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    For a non NFA solution, consider this flash hider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries144 View Post
    That's a really good point. If you want reduction of recoil, flash, and noise, you're describing a suppressor. A can would be perfect if you don't mind NFA.

    The Wolverine is a plug and play solution that's built like a tank and made by a great company, but I'd try taping a 25oz weight to the front of your rifle and doing some dry drills before you consider it. I don't care how much ya bench or how much Testosteroid 5000 you suck down, 25oz on the muzzle end will be detrimental to your accurate performance when unsupported.

    I know you don't want to hear this after going to lengths to get a proper 24mm Russian front end, but I ended up getting my 5.56 AK's muzzle threaded for 1/2x28 to run a lighter, quieter can.
    Yeah, I put one on the front of a Draco SBR, you definitely know it's there.
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