2021 Gunfight: Arvada, CO: LEO, CCW, & BG- and coming gun laws.

**kerplode** · 06-24-21, 10:53

From the reporting I saw this morning, it seems like maybe it's starting to look like another Arvada officer might have been the one that shot John Hurley...Be interesting to see how that plays out over the next couple days.

KUSA has had a couple pretty positive stories about Mr Hurley, which is both surprising and refreshing. Given the way things have been leaning in this state, I figured it'd be a cold day in hell before the Colorado media reported anything resembling a story about a citizen with a CCW stopping a larger tragedy.

RIP John Hurley

Say his name...

**ViniVidivici** · 06-24-21, 22:23

Was given this link by a friend:

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ing-to-sources

Looks like WAS shot by responding LE, which would be VERY easy to happen on a scene like that.

**Pressingonward** · 06-24-21, 22:37

Dang. I've thought about that myself a bit - if involved in a self defense (or defense of others like this case) shooting, how to avoid then getting shot by accident in a chaotic scene?

Good for him though for not hesitating to defend others. My prayers go out to his family as well as the family of the original victim

**SteyrAUG** · 06-25-21, 00:46

I can think of two events off the top of my head in Florida.

First one is where parents in the drop off lane probably prevented a school shooting when they basically grabbed a gun and went and got their kids while doing the "F you, out of my way I'm rescuing my kid and anyone else who wants to go outside with me."

Second was a guy who pulled over to help a police officer who was under fire or had been shot (I kept getting two versions of the story) and actually shot at least one of the bad guys.

Neither one was reported but I knew too many people peripherally involved for them to be urban legend. Ironically everyone was told to STFU about it.

**ViniVidivici** · 06-25-21, 03:33

Originally Posted by Pressingonward

Dang. I've thought about that myself a bit - if involved in a self defense (or defense of others like this case) shooting, how to avoid then getting shot by accident in a chaotic scene?

Good for him though for not hesitating to defend others. My prayers go out to his family as well as the family of the original victim

Yep, that is a major concern when it comes to getting involved in these things. Hell, off-duty LE have come close to being shot, same scenario.

Best you could hope for is, at the very first sign of them approaching, drop whatever's in your hands and get spread-eagled RFN.

Believe it or not, I've actually heard fools say this is why they carry "cee cee dubyah" badges........stupid frickin idiots. DO NOT do that.

**SteyrAUG** · 06-25-21, 05:13

Originally Posted by ViniVidivici

Yep, that is a major concern when it comes to getting involved in these things. Hell, off-duty LE have come close to being shot, same scenario.

Best you could hope for is, at the very first sign of them approaching, drop whatever's in your hands and get spread-eagled RFN.

Believe it or not, I've actually heard fools say this is why they carry "cee cee dubyah" badges........stupid frickin idiots. DO NOT do that.

Happens in Florida from time to time. Plainclothes guys with a badge on the belt get zipped by uniformed even though they radioed in that they would be responding. UC guys, forget it, they learned a long time ago be last to show up. Even if you hang your badge around your neck Flava Flav style, some dipshit will still probably shoot you because we have decades of "man with gun = bad" shit that has been hammered in everyone's head.

The truth about Miami Vice is Sonny and Tubbs would have been killed by a uniform in the third episode.

**ThirdWatcher** · 06-25-21, 05:57

Several years ago I backed another Officer on a man-with-a-gun call. The man had his pistol pointed at another citizen and the Officer was yelling at the man to drop the weapon and due to the man’s tunnel vision he didn’t hear the voice commands at first. Fortunately no rounds were fired and the man (investigation revealed was really a good Samaritan) dropped his weapon. Bottom line: if you’re gonna get the involved, do not get tunnel vision. The responding uniformed Patrol Officers are in change, end of story.

**jsbhike** · 06-26-21, 21:27

Originally Posted by Pressingonward

Dang. I've thought about that myself a bit - if involved in a self defense (or defense of others like this case) shooting, how to avoid then getting shot by accident in a chaotic scene?

Nix the indoctrination that private citizen + firearm somehow equals up to no good would be a start.