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Thread: Modernizing the Mk 12 SPR: Recce or Not?

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    I too once set about assembling an SPR, with the qualification of it being a more accurate, longer range semi-auto in our weapons battery.

    Using the (now) classic model of the MK12 type SPR, I soon realized that, though a monumental evolution at the time, it's truest incarnation is a bit outdated.

    Though I stuck with the 18" barrel, I went with a more modern, slimmer fore end, a 1-6 LPVO, and a collapsible stock.

    Things like an LPVO and a stock that's lighter and has adjustable LOP represent the modern advancement of the concept, in my opinion.

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    I don't have any down range experience with the MK12 or 262; but one of my buddies who did, swears he preferred the mk12 for a lot of missions. High rate of fire (compared to a bolt action), large magazine, RELIABLE (unlike SR25's) light weight, and excellent follow up shot made it very potent out too 700 yards or so. Keep in mind the context of the early GWOT and all the guns we actually had access too (not much). In 2021 though I would say that a good 16" barrel with a 1-8 LPVO and a match trigger is better than the OG SPR in quite a few ways.

    My own personal guns include a 16" 556 that sports a 1-8 on occasion, and a 18" 6.5CM with a 4-16. Both of these 'harken' back to the mk12; but differentiate themselves where necessary to be more mission capable. I can say that xm2010 is a beast of a rifle; but man is it heavy.

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    As a late-to-the-party outsider, it sounds almost like the offshoot Mod Holland (which I'm kinda hazy on the differences between it and a Recce) might be a better candidate for "modernizing" than the parent Mk 12. Admittedly, I still have a lot to learn about all three...
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnburglar View Post
    I don't have any down range experience with the MK12 or 262; but one of my buddies who did, swears he preferred the mk12 for a lot of missions.
    I think the biggest reason why the SPR is remember so fondly is that all of the alternatives at the time were deficient in at least one area. For us, the fact that it had a can and decent optics were the two biggest advantages outright, but if you have the option to pair those two features with something more maneuverable, then just move forward with that concept.
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    Lots of great responses here, but I will add one point of personal experience in favor of keeping the longer rails/barrels. They seem to balance better on a tripod when suppressor is attached. I also feel like I get less gas to face with my 18" AR more so than any of the shorter guns I have. Obviously, both of these points are specific to my exact gear, but this consideration may apply to others.

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    Optics certainly have gotten better. Over the last ten years, it seems like you can buy any reticule your mind can imagine, 1-6 or 1-8 optics are more durable, and the AR, in general, seems more refined for a general-purpose rifle. Just pick your optic and barrel length and go to town.
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    I still enjoy the piggish set-ups in roles where mobility is irrelevant but I'm trying to eke out as much precision as possible. But for typical use we're leaps and bounds from where the MK12 started. I'm hoping to flesh one out on the lighter side of things and really take advantage of the improvements available to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opngrnd View Post
    I still enjoy the piggish set-ups in roles where mobility is irrelevant but I'm trying to eke out as much precision as possible.
    At which point, one could likely make a case to just push up into a heavy sr25/mk20 style large-frame with more capable glass if weight penalty is not an issue...so long as your resources allow this.

    To me, it just seems weird to make an AR15 pattern rifle heavier than necessary given that weight and compact profile have been an inherent advantage its entire life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointblank4445 View Post
    At which point, one could likely make a case to just push up into a heavy sr25/mk20 style large-frame with more capable glass if weight penalty is not an issue...so long as your resources allow this.

    To me, it just seems weird to make an AR15 pattern rifle heavier than necessary given that weight and compact profile have been an inherent advantage its entire life.
    Great points. I'm hoping to go bigger eventually, but currently enjoy the economy of keeping the same ammo, mags and spare parts.

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    I have a MK12 setup with an ADM qd bipod attachment and the 2.5-10 NXS. With the can and bipod off itís really not that bad weight wise. The A1 stock LOP is where I run my stocks anyway so it works.

    Iím usually shooting it prone at steel between 3-500m though.

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