US Navy is too woke for war

[Diamondback]

I’m not completely convinced the next big war against the US will be conventional/invasion style warfare. Despite recent attacks on the second amendment, we probably still have one of the most heavily armed civilian populations. Unless they plan on colonizing, I don’t think there would be much to gain, and despite what Joe thinks, even without F-15’s and nukes our citizens pose a formidable challenge. What I foresee in the near future would more likely be economic war with China and cyber war with Russia. Imagine constant cyber ransom attacks on critical infrastructure shutting down healthcare, utilities, communication, and banking, then coupled with a dried up supply of all things made in China or some type of devaluation of the dollar causing hyper-inflation, all while we engage in a home-grown civil war between Democrats/Republicans, BLM/“white privileged racists”, vaccinated/unvaccinated, federal government/citizens (take your pick).

Don't forget regular releases of new bioweapons...

[Core781]

I agree: as a matter of fact the war with China has begun. Chatter is suggesting Russia has joined China. (Thanks Leadership..) Our leadership is PATHETIC. We all need to stop donating to either side, stop supporting them period until they wash out or step aside. Our leadership gas lights everything they can get their greasy fingers on to turn us against each other and its disgusting. I'm Trumps biggest fan but he royally screwed up his first "partial" term. The Democrats are committing Article VI violations at all levels of government and the Republicans are cherry picking and cashing out. This cat and mouse game to maintain their status quo is the ballyhoo thats going to allow China to dominate us. When they get the drift they will spin China as a threat, we can see this happening as Biden talks tough about China but not TO China. Our leadership knows China has more resources and will grow to dominate the Pacific, they will self enrich as they have been doing all along, and they will not invest what it takes to stop China's growth. All they know how to do is play football, we are all fools to support either side.

[Diamondback]

I agree: as a matter of fact the war with China has begun. Chatter is suggesting Russia has joined China. (Thanks Leadership..) Our leadership is PATHETIC. We all need to stop donating to either side, stop supporting them period until they wash out or step aside. Our leadership gas lights everything they can get their greasy fingers on to turn us against each other and its disgusting. I'm Trumps biggest fan but he royally screwed up his first "partial" term. The Democrats are committing Article VI violations at all levels of government and the Republicans are cherry picking and cashing out. This cat and mouse game to maintain their status quo is the ballyhoo thats going to allow China to dominate us. When they get the drift they will spin China as a threat, we can see this happening as Biden talks tough about China but not TO China. Our leadership knows China has more resources and will grow to dominate the Pacific, they will self enrich as they have been doing all along, and they will not invest what it takes to stop China's growth. All they know how to do is play football, we are all fools to support either side.

Lemme just say this... if a Czech lab had unleashed this crap on the world in the 1960s, back in my grandfather's day in the Cold War, Prague would STILL be a smoking hole in the ground that glowed at night.

[Core781]

Lemme just say this... if a Czech lab had unleashed this crap on the world in the 1960s, back in my grandfather's day in the Cold War, Prague would STILL be a smoking hole in the ground that glowed at night.

Only this time the "expert" that we chose to handle the pandemic was the very same man who is invested in the Wuhan lab, and in all probability actively, and certainly passively colluded to cover up the virus origins. Harvards article from June of 2020 was developed earlier and proves beyond any doubt that the virus origins was Wuhan as hospitals saw spikes in cases in the last day of August 2019. Why Trump's admin did not address the nation earlier is a question I want answered?

[Diamondback]

Only this time the "expert" that we chose to handle the pandemic was the very same man who is invested in the Wuhan lab, and in all probability actively, and certainly passively colluded to cover up the virus origins. Harvards article from June of 2020 was developed earlier and proves beyond any doubt that the virus origins was Wuhan as hospitals saw spikes in cases in the last day of August 2019. Why Trump's admin did not address the nation earlier is a question I want answered?

To build on my prior, if an American scientist had helped those theoretical '60s Czechs, there would have been a Constitutional amendment passed to specifically exempt that individual from the ban on Cruel & Unusual Punishment and his horrific, torturous death would have been a LOOOOOONG time in the carrying-out. Back before Commies finished flaying the Democratic Party to start wearing it as a skinsuit like the Bug in MIB...

[chuckman]

Human trafficking like slavery or human trafficking like busting the asian whorehouse on the interstate exits?

In this context, stealing people, stuffing them into trunks of vehicles, and crossing borders.

We were in the field... in 2000? Maybe 2001. We were called in, our platoon, to meet with the entire company, in the base theater for a mandatory safety stand-down for a lecture on human trafficking. Word was some sailor kidnapped someone somewhere, and the knee-jerk was to make a PTT and don't-ever-do-this lecture.

[T2C]

Coal Dragger brings up some solid points. I was discharged from the USN in 1985 and here are my observations.

1) The pipeline for officers to staff the USN needs to be tightened up. When Midshipmen were sent to us for time in the fleet, the best ones I observed had been enlisted prior to entering the STAR Program or other program to become officers. One of the best officers who reported to my last seagoing command was a HT2 with actual sea duty. He entered the officer career path with experience and a different perspective, which made him an outstanding officer.

2) Our industrial might is a thing of the past. We are sourcing entirely too many products outside of CONUS and it would cripple us in a large scale conflict. A glaring example is that steel mills in the St. Louis area were downsized, then closed, while Chinese made steel I beams were used on bridge projects less than 10 miles from the steel mills. This was done with US tax dollars. These same mills made tank turrets, tank bodies, gun mounts for Navy vessels, railroad car chassis, etc. during WWII, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. One mill no longer exists and the other will undoubtedly be closed down by the Biden administration.

3) Look at current events and where our medical supplies were sourced.

We need to improve our industrial independence and focus on our warfighting skills on a large scale. If we don't, we are going to see some really tough times ahead.

[Grand58742]

3) Look at current events and where our medical supplies were sourced.

We need to improve our industrial independence and focus on our warfighting skills on a large scale. If we don't, we are going to see some really tough times ahead.

This more than anything. Whomever released the Wu-flu (and you'll never convince me it just spread naturally) has not only exposed the distinct lack of preparedness of the United States, but really of the entire world in dealing with a pandemic. Remember when China stopped importing med supplies for a brief period?

If you don't think our enemies aren't watching what happened and how the population freaked out over a disease that has a 99.7% survival rate, you need to open your eyes. (Not directed at you T2C)

[chuckman]

Coal Dragger brings up some solid points. I was discharged from the USN in 1985 and here are my observations.

1) The pipeline for officers to staff the USN needs to be tightened up. When Midshipmen were sent to us for time in the fleet, the best ones I observed had been enlisted prior to entering the STAR Program or other program to become officers. One of the best officers who reported to my last seagoing command was a HT2 with actual sea duty. He entered the officer career path with experience and a different perspective, which made him an outstanding officer.

2) Our industrial might is a thing of the past. We are sourcing entirely too many products outside of CONUS and it would cripple us in a large scale conflict. A glaring example is that steel mills in the St. Louis area were downsized, then closed, while Chinese made steel I beams were used on bridge projects less than 10 miles from the steel mills. This was done with US tax dollars. These same mills made tank turrets, tank bodies, gun mounts for Navy vessels, railroad car chassis, etc. during WWII, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. One mill no longer exists and the other will undoubtedly be closed down by the Biden administration.

3) Look at current events and where our medical supplies were sourced.

We need to improve our industrial independence and focus on our warfighting skills on a large scale. If we don't, we are going to see some really tough times ahead.

#1, absolutely. Discussed in previous posts, the Navy has a leadership and officer problem.

#2, absolutely. We've outsourced so much manufacturing it's nuts. Even if we could get old steel mills, fabrication plants, etc., up and running, who is going to staff them? Gone are the days of generational experience in these industries.

#3, regarding large-scale conflict, not so worried. The military medical system is pretty solid. Talking 'traditional' war response, not a CBRNE event; in that, yeah, we're weak.

Industrial and energy independence is key; if we don't improve in those areas, everything else doesn't matter.

[Core781]

Very good observations: you folks should be consulting our leadership rather than woke strategists. The same military "leadership" running the fed now are tied to generational wealth and they are team players. This team has outsourced US skilled labor. These directors, are the entitled officers who did everything to stifle what was right in the armed forces to get by with good fitreps. These people are running the DOJ, FBI, CIA, and ATF. Look at the issues we now face? I watched our mills get outsourced to Asia by the parents of those currently running the fed. Aside from their moral issues, they are doing a horrible job doing whats right for our nation. Many do not see the importance of putting America first.. The left hate that expression because the Southern Democrats KKK used that slogan. In their polarized thinking, they cannot conceptualize that we use America First not as a mechanism of race oppression but in the nest interests of national security. Our leadership has failed, the corporations they work for pay zero tax, and their children who direct the fed are systemically dysfunctional and self serving with no sense of honor and few honor their oath. Instead of defunding the police we should hold these people accountable when they violate their oath, they should be fired.