Geissele rifles & uppers.

[Warp]

Is this yours? My three SD’s profile doesn’t look anything like that…

Guarantee it's not his. There are a few pictures floating around that guys with an ax to grind Google up and re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-post ad infinitude. Usually said posters have never held a Super Duty rifle let alone owned one. This IS still the internet

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Guarantee it's not his. There are a few pictures floating around that guys with an ax to grind Google up and re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-post ad infinitude. Usually said posters have never held a Super Duty rifle let alone owned one. This IS still the internet

Correct, it is not my picture. But I have held Super Duty rifles, and they didn't stand out to me in any way; they're nice, but there are lots of nice AR-15s out there. I would also like to point out that neither of my previous posts has bashed Geissele overall; I'm merely pointing out that they (like KAC, LMT, Hodge, etc.) are not perfect, and also just because they chose a specific action, doesn't mean that it's the best way to do something. Blindly accepting a manufacturer's methods is nothing more than fanboyism. The idea that somehow black oxide is just as good as parkerization just because Geissele does it is ludicrous.

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Correct, it is not my picture. But I have held Super Duty rifles, and they didn't stand out to me in any way; they're nice, but there are lots of nice AR-15s out there. I would also like to point out that neither of my previous posts has bashed Geissele overall; I'm merely pointing out that they (like KAC, LMT, Hodge, etc.) are not perfect, and also just because they chose a specific action, doesn't mean that it's the best way to do something. Blindly accepting a manufacturer's methods is nothing more than fanboyism. The idea that somehow black oxide is just as good as parkerization just because Geissele does it is ludicrous.

Did any make any of those arguments in this thread??

Of course no manufacturer is perfect. You going to spam Google'd up pictures of a QC slip from KAC and next and imply anybody who woudl buy KAC is a fanboy because they aren't perfect?

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Did any make any of those arguments in this thread??

If their black oxide is as high quality as the rest of what they do, I’m good with it.

So, no one directly said that black oxide is "just as good", but accepting black oxide just because it's Geissele when parkerization is the standard and norm seems pretty fanboy to me. People would likely poo-poo any of the sub-standard brands that do that as yet another sign of inferior quality.

You going to spam Google'd up pictures of a QC slip from KAC and next and imply anybody who woudl buy KAC is a fanboy because they aren't perfect?

No need for Googling, I have an SR-25 CC that won't do better than ~8 MOA with M80, and is like 2 to 3 MOA with Gold Dot (both 150 gr and 168 gr). My friend's LPR was about a 4 MOA gun with FGMM, 3 MOA with handloads, due to a burr at the gas port, and shows significant POI shift with a loaded bipod. IIRC, even with the burr removed, his LPR struggles to get sub-MOA outside of a few lighter bullets (<60 gr).

Anyway, you've missed my point once again. It isn't that buying Geissele products makes people fanboys (because that would mean that I would also be a Geissele fanboy), but rather folks accepting every decision made by a Geissele as being kosher makes them fanboys. Besides the issues with the lowers, which I posted simply because they're easy and eye grabbing, are you going to defend the 22 USD D&H mags that have a Geissele floorplate? Are you going to steer people away from the Vortex Razor and Kahles K16i in favor of the Geissele Super Precision Optic? It's not just the rare QC issues that makes Geissele worthy of some degree of suspicion. There are certainly some brands that warrant less scrutiny than others, and for me, Geissele doesn't make it to the "least scrutiny" tier, even if I do consider them to be one of the better brands.

[dan1612]

I actually prefer fan-man.

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So, no one directly said that black oxide is "just as good"

Right, you're in here flying off the deep end ranting against straw men while googling up extremely overused photos of outliers

Anyway, you've missed my point once again. It isn't that buying Geissele products makes people fanboys (because that would mean that I would also be a Geissele fanboy), but rather folks accepting every decision made by a Geissele as being kosher makes them fanboys.

I get your point, it is to argue against strawmen

are you going to defend the 22 USD D&H mags that have a Geissele floorplate?

They are $12

https://geissele.com/d-h-5-56-30rd-a...loorplate.html

You need to get over your emotion and think logically, dude. You're just going crazy over your own imagination

But so the **** what if they were $22? There's no deception and nothing wrong with charging a higher price for something than competitors. If that offends you, move to a socialist country or keep voting for the dems, those .gov price controls will suit you well

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I actually prefer fan-man.

How about fan-king?

Right, you're in here flying off the deep end ranting against straw men while googling up extremely overused photos of outliers

I didn't realize I was ranting, I thought I was being pretty even keeled about things.

They are $12

https://geissele.com/d-h-5-56-30rd-a...loorplate.html

You need to get over your emotion and think logically, dude. You're just going crazy over your own imagination

But so the **** what if they were $22? There's no deception and nothing wrong with charging a higher price for something than competitors. If that offends you, move to a socialist country or keep voting for the dems, those .gov price controls will suit you well

Yes, they're 12 USD now, after there was blowback at their original 22 USD price.

As for nothing wrong with charging a higher price for something than a competitor, that depends on what is meant by "wrong". I'm not claiming that they're doing anything immoral or unethical, but it's certainly a poor buy, and I would call you an idiot for purchasing such a product simply because it has a Geissele floorplate, and the fact that they're willing to charge such outrageous prices hints that they are probably willing to cut costs without cutting prices (e.g., when the H&K SMRs went from 7075 to 6061 with no change in pricing, though that potentially has to do with government contract stipulations), or to upcharge the consumers when better alternatives can be had elsewhere.

Anyway, I think I've said my piece more than enough in this thread, so take from it what you will. Hopefully someone will find it useful.

Also, I live in the USA, so I'm already living in a socialist country.

[dan1612]

Show me a conventional factory DI rifle that is better gassed for dedicated suppressor use and I may very well sell a couple of the G guns.

[jesuvuah]

Show me a conventional factory DI rifle that is better gassed for dedicated suppressor use and I may very well sell a couple of the G guns.

PSA or go home.

Soli Deo Gloria

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Show me a conventional factory DI rifle that is better gassed for dedicated suppressor use and I may very well sell a couple of the G guns.

Depends on the barrel length and what you mean by "factory", but Triarc and Sionics both offer SBR/pistol builds with dedicated reduced gas port sizes. Current Daniel Defense and Centurion Arms gas ports are also quite conservative, and I believe on par with Geissele gas ports; Hodge's gas ports have varied over the years, but I'm sure Jim would be happy to discuss what's available these days. If you want, feel free to check out my gas port spreadsheet I've been compiling: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...JXXrk/htmlview

That being said, gas ports are only one part of the issue; I remember the guy behind MicroMOA showing that with different barrels of the same length, he had to adjust the AGB to different sizes to get the same performance, simply due to slight variations in bore size, IIRC.

I will say that I don't see the appeal of factory guns for AR-15s, particularly for more niche applications like dedicated suppressed use, assuming resale is not an issue. Parts and knowledge are ubiquitous enough that I don't think there's much of an advantage to a factory warranty. That also means that I would simply modify the current guns you have already, if you were chasing better gassing, whether it be through an AGB, BRT gas tube, a gas block insert, or adjustable carrier.