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Thread: CDC To Announce COVID Vaccines Donít Work on Delta Variant

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    If “delta” was deadlier we would see a spike in deaths in the unvaccinated contracting it. We’re not seeing that. We’re seeing fewer hospitalizations and fewer deaths with this “surge”.

    This has become ludicrous. It was always a power play by the State and they won’t let it go, you’re going to have to make some tough decisions, bow down or just let it go and be free.

    Don’t give in to the fear mongers.
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    Ran across this & obviously can't confirm legitimacy but goes along with what I'm being told by a friend who is admin at a local hospital. They do not test for delta & only receive +/- results. My theory is anyone who is fully vaccinated & tests positive is simply rubber stamped breakthrough. Local news keeps saying non-jab'd are filling up hospitals & that is simply not the case from those I talk to in the know. We'll have a new scary deadly zeta variant before the month is over.


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    No jab, no mask, no trust in this corrupt Govt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    If ďdeltaĒ was deadlier we would see a spike in deaths in the unvaccinated contracting it. Weíre not seeing that. Weíre seeing fewer hospitalizations and fewer deaths with this ďsurgeĒ.

    This has become ludicrous. It was always a power play by the State and they wonít let it go, youíre going to have to make some tough decisions, bow down or just let it go and be free.

    Donít give in to the fear mongers.
    Have you noticed the ďdeath tickersĒ aren't scrolling across the bottom of the tv screen like they were last year? For as horrible as this surge is, how contagious delta is and how the unvaccinated are killing everyone the death toll sure isnít being reported.

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    The 2 doctors I linked in a previous post are highly credentialed. One them, Dr Malone is the creator of the MRNA vaccine. They have been on the right track since the beginning. The experimental vaccines are causing antibody dependent enhancement just like they did in the trials. Essentially the experimental vaccines are responsible the resistant mutations.

    Here is Dr Peter McCullough; video is in the link. Educate yourself instead of relying on snippets of information.

    "Dr. Peter McCullough said these deaths have been facilitated by a false narrative bent on pushing an all-new, unproven vaccine for a disease that was highly treatable.

    He said COVID was a bioweapon and the vaccines represent “phase two” of that bioweapon.

    “As this, in a sense, bioterrorism phase one was rolled out, it was really all about keeping the population in fear and in isolation and preparing them to accept the vaccine, which appears to be phase two of a bioterrorism operation,” McCullough said in a June 11 webinar with German attorney Reiner Fuellmich and several other doctors...

    https://leohohmann.com/2021/06/21/be...000-americans/


    Here Dr Malone discusses the antibody dependent enhancement and the experimental vaccine negative effects that are being suppressed.
    https://listen.warroom.org/e/episode...peter-navarro/
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexHill View Post
    Something else I found interesting in the CDC study that you posted was the following graph:


    Now I'm not a member of Mensa, but to me that graph makes it look like those who are vaccinated have a better chance of getting the delta variant than the non-vaccinated do.
    Which is probably based on behavior as much as anything. If you got vaccinated, youíre probably under the impression that you have a higher threshold to infection. Not an unreasonable assumption. But it seems the delta variant works in a different manner than the others. Iíd be interested to know the how, but I havenít seen anything about that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    But, we are stuck between making some often difficult decisions here, much of which (most?) we can blame on what I said above, us being caught in the middle of the political pissing match between orange guy and those who hate him.

    That's what should make us all really angry. That's what makes me really angry.
    What makes me angry is trying to make decisions based on untrustworthy entities: the media, the government, and academia which now apparently owns science and medicine. All three entities I intensely hate because of their politics, meddling and self righteous attitudes, ridiculously poor decision making and prodigal spending, and complete disregard for (and immunity from) the consequences of being wrong. Trust them with advice on what to do with my body? Absolutely not. When all three push an agenda and want to force something while setting records for shady activity including censorship and propaganda? Hell f***ing no. How do I trust knowing what they're actually injecting people with? Unit 731 comes to mind.

    Then all the doctors are all going along with it out of fear of their licensing boards, hospitals, insurance companies, and peers. But then who's left to ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    CDC did not say that, vaccines work extremely well against covid, and does work against Delta, only slightly less effective according to several large published studies. Oddly, the page you posted links to a study that shows the efficacy and safety of the vaccines in general, and does not support the linked claims at all:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...159v1.full.pdf

    That's what you get when a highly biased site from a author who does not science uses a study to support their position, that literally says the opposite what they claim...

    If anything, Delta is a motivator to get vaccinated. Best to get info from primary sources vs interpretations of biased web sites. For non scientists, with links to studies for those who science:

    https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-delta-variant

    Bottom line:
    vaccines don't, and never claimed to, prevent infection per se. They do appear highly effective at reducing serious complications, hospitalizations, and deaths, including Delta.

    I'm also the one who, from the very start, advocated for other approaches and adjuvant approaches on this site and continue to do, but misinformation, disinformation, and pseudo science on vaccines does not help us in anyway, and to a large extent, why we are in the cluster F.

    There's no doubt the powers that be, let us all down, mostly due to their pissing match and dislike for the orange guy, and from day one, covid became politicized and weaponized, and we have every right to be angry and question all info supplied at this point, but at some point it's also cutting of yet nose to spite ye face, and that's happening way too much also.

    When the dust settles on this one, there will be a lot of finger pointing and most of them will be right!
    This is the best stated synopsis I have seen of the reality Iím living.
    Trying to have a logical conversation about all of this has been far harder than actually taking care of my COVID patients.
    You sir, give me hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    If ďdeltaĒ was deadlier we would see a spike in deaths in the unvaccinated contracting it. Weíre not seeing that. Weíre seeing fewer hospitalizations and fewer deaths with this ďsurgeĒ.

    This has become ludicrous. It was always a power play by the State and they wonít let it go, youíre going to have to make some tough decisions, bow down or just let it go and be free.

    Donít give in to the fear mongers.
    Not deadlier, more contagious.

    Iím a physician in conservative rural Texas and vaccine hesitancy is high here. Most older and high risk people still got the vaccine right away, and they seem to have concluded the risk benefit of it was in favor of the vaccine. I expect it will be at least partially effective at keeping the death rates overall lower. If a lot of people get sick in a hurry, it may still be overwhelming. On the other hand we could get to herd immunity fasterÖ

    As for deaths, they after come about 3 weeks after the person gets COVID, so it will be delayed. Iím certainly seeing increased cases the past 2 weeks. I havenít had anyone hospitalized with Covid for several months, but the past 2 weeks I have had 4 cases. Fellow physicians have similar experiences. We have had the first death in months. The majority of cases are relatively minor, and Iím seeing younger unvaccinated adults and kids that are sick. Presumed delta COVID sort of exploded over about 2 weeks. The original disease here seemed to start more slowly.

    I donít think the vaccine is as effective for delta as we had hoped, especially Pfizer, which was the most common vaccine here. If Moderna is proven to work better vs Delta, I would hope to see the CDC recommending a Moderna booster or series.

    Iím not stopping life. Iím not afraid of the vaccine. I only wear a mask at work, but Iíve done that for decades and only really as needed.
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