CDC To Announce COVID Vaccines Don’t Work on Delta Variant

[Averageman]

This is about as trustworthy as taking medical advice from a random homeless crackhead

Yup, pretty much.
I'm unvaccinated and all of that is pretty much why.
I served 35 years in the Military and the MIC. Why does suddenly everyone in the .gov suddenly give a "F" about me?
I feel like I'm getting hustled just reading all of that.

[Boy Scout]

A question for our resident doctors/physicians:

Can you get vaccines to administer in your practice?

If so, have you or would you administer them?

[tgizzard]

My wife sent me this screen shot from our local next door. Now I can’t validate this guy’s claims, obviously, but it does fit a pattern i’ve seen personally of vaccinated individuals getting ill lately. Needless to say this dude took absolute hell in the comments for daring to share his experience. The left is always so full of love and caring …


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[HKGuns]

Now I can’t validate this guy’s claims, obviously, but it does fit a pattern i’ve seen personally of vaccinated individuals getting ill lately.

Clearly you don't understand. IT IS ONLY THE UN-VACCINATED WHO ARE GETTING SICK, putting all of the "good" citizens at risk.

To the original point of the thread, of course it doesn't work against the "Delta" variant. The vaccine is CAUSING the Delta variant and we were warned of this by several who were silenced when they told us vaccinating in the midst of this fiasco was a very bad idea.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Clearly you don't understand. IT IS ONLY THE UN-VACCINATED WHO ARE GETTING SICK, putting all of the "good" citizens at risk.

To the original point of the thread, of course it doesn't work against the "Delta" variant. The vaccine is CAUSING the Delta variant and we were warned of this by several who were silenced when they told us vaccinating in the midst of this fiasco was a very bad idea.

Delta started in India, not exactly a vaccine hot spot.
Vaccines don’t cause mutations in the virus.
Vaccinating everyone might not have been the best path, but vaccinating the over 60 crowd was a good idea, and other select groups.

Delta came from a region with little vaccine take up. The vaccine doesn’t cause the mutation to delta, at best it leaves room for it to expand faster. For this to be true, you have to admit that the vaccine works against earlier versions by the way. With an R as high, and higher than other earlier virus versions, the Delta variant was going to expand- vaccines or not.
With such a low rate of bad outcome in healthy young people, Vaxing older people, people with comorbidities and immuno issues and letting it run through the rest of the population was probably the most efficient path forward. Especially if you apply that globally. Vaxing every kid under 12 in the US is huge waste if you have populations in other parts of the world more vulnerable.

In a month we’ll all be able to see what happened. Did vaxed people die at rates like the unvaxed. Did Delta rise and peter out like it did in most other countries? DId masking make a difference. The data will be there.

[glocktogo]

My wife sent me this screen shot from our local next door. Now I can’t validate this guy’s claims, obviously, but it does fit a pattern i’ve seen personally of vaccinated individuals getting ill lately. Needless to say this dude took absolute hell in the comments for daring to share his experience. The left is always so full of love and caring …


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A valid question at this point is: "40 years from now, will we discover that some of the subjects getting the poke were given a placebo, for "scientific study purposes"?"

[Diamondback]

A valid question at this point is: "40 years from now, will we discover that some of the subjects getting the poke were given a placebo, for "scientific study purposes"?"

Considering that the culture of shitstains behind the Tuskegee Syphilis Study is alive and well in preserving the spirit of Herr Doktor Mengele... institutional cash settlements may happen, but this doesn't stop until somebody high level is held PERSONALLY accountable with something on the Hard Time to Head On Pike level.

[glocktogo]

Considering that the culture of shitstains behind the Tuskegee Syphilis Study is alive and well in preserving the spirit of Herr Doktor Mengele... institutional cash settlements may happen, but this doesn't stop until somebody high level is held PERSONALLY accountable with something on the Hard Time to Head On Pike level.

Yep, and that will never happen. Because if it didn't happen over the Tuskegee Experiment, nothing will move the needle far enough. In another thread some are beginning to speak the unspoken thought, that there's no way this wasn't a bespoke bioweapon which was used to benefit the CCP, even at the sacrifice of their own people. While I doubt that will ever be officially proven, we should remember that Fauci worked hand in hand with the Wuhan lab on this virus, and has been providing them with cover and credibility since day one.

[Diamondback]

Even if this thing is provably a biowar attack, and every day the harder I try to dig in NOT WANTING TO believe that the more I see pointing in that direction... well, even if it was as plain as the nose on Shitzizpantz's face it can NEVER be officially recognized as such because that kind of Act of War DEMANDS a nuclear strike response by both US and Russian doctrine, and nobody wants to be the first one to turn the keys because "one goes all go."

Knowing that we have a bunch of sick, twisted people who see you and your kids as lab-rats for whatever deranged experiments they come up with and have both financial and legal backing from Das Reich just gives you a real warm fuzzy feeling, doesn't it?

"More victims... I mean, volunteers!... for my experiments!"--Dr. Thrax, "Command & Conquer: Zero Hour"

[WillBrink]

Delta started in India, not exactly a vaccine hot spot.
Vaccines don’t cause mutations in the virus.
Vaccinating everyone might not have been the best path, but vaccinating the over 60 crowd was a good idea, and other select groups.

Delta came from a region with little vaccine take up. The vaccine doesn’t cause the mutation to delta, at best it leaves room for it to expand faster. For this to be true, you have to admit that the vaccine works against earlier versions by the way. With an R as high, and higher than other earlier virus versions, the Delta variant was going to expand- vaccines or not.
With such a low rate of bad outcome in healthy young people, Vaxing older people, people with comorbidities and immuno issues and letting it run through the rest of the population was probably the most efficient path forward. Especially if you apply that globally. Vaxing every kid under 12 in the US is huge waste if you have populations in other parts of the world more vulnerable.

In a month we’ll all be able to see what happened. Did vaxed people die at rates like the unvaxed. Did Delta rise and peter out like it did in most other countries? DId masking make a difference. The data will be there.

Don't confuse people with facts, they don't like it. Dr Z here is a page I follow, and he's a smart doc with a generally balanced realistic POV on the issue, and he's probably accurate about Delta. That is, big surge in cases, but likely far less deaths and serious complications due to population that's being effected are younger healthier types, with small % being high risk and not vaccinated who may be in bad shape. I am seeing younger healthy types getting sick, a few - as posted in this thread prior - ending up in the ICU, but all should be fine.