Dakota Meyer on Jocko Podcast.

[WillBrink]

I knew about Meyer winning the MOH and had a general idea of what had happened and such, but didn't know the details. This was one hell of a bad day and seemingly perfect storm for FUBAR experience, and hearing about how the ROE prevented them from getting the fire support they needed is maddening. Were there any changes made after that event?

It's a long podcast, totally worth it if you have not listened to that. The look on Meyer's face at times talking about it, hits you in the feelz. Maybe my imagination, but seemed like even Jacko was working to hold together and it seemed his voice started to break up a bit at some parts.

[flenna]

I’ll have to check it out, I generally like Jocko’s podcasts. I read Into the Fire by Meyer that he wrote with Bing West, it was riveting to say the least.

[WillBrink]

I’ll have to check it out, I generally like Jocko’s podcasts. I read Into the Fire by Meyer that he wrote with Bing West, it was riveting to say the least.

He kills someone with a rock! Now that's not just any "normal" firefight there.

[mRad]

It’s sad he’s so “bro military” and made comments negative about civilians who train.


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[seb5]

The book was a good read. It also has a lot of information about Captain Swenson, another MOH recepient from that same day. He was very vocal to the point of almost being forced to leave the Army. After his award he rejoined and is currently an 0-5.

[ABNAK]

The book was a good read. It also has a lot of information about Captain Swenson, another MOH recepient from that same day. He was very vocal to the point of almost being forced to leave the Army. After his award he rejoined and is currently an 0-5.

I hate to say this but Swenson is probably as high as he is gonna go, MoH or not. He'll likely retire as a LtCol. He pissed into the Wheaties of several people high on the food chain, essentially calling them out for lack of support. IIRC he was originally awarded the Silver Star as a finger to the eye for "complaining" but enough evidence was brought forward into the limelight (including much from Meyers himself) that they couldn't thwart it any longer. Obviously Congress makes the award but you know damn well there were a few senior flag officers who had their panties in a wad over it, gritting their teeth, but couldn't do a damn thing about it.....except put his career in quicksand.

[okie]

He's the poster child for why the Second Amendment exists in the first place. The attitudes brewing in military and law enforcement culture are not only morally reprehensible but make it obvious that they as a group have absolutely zero understanding of the document to which they took their oaths.

Don't EVER let these tyrants shame you for exercising your rights. You, as a part of The People, have a constitutionally recognized God-given RIGHT to bear arms. They, as members of the Militia, have the PRIVILEGE of bearing arms supplied to them by Congress, i.e. we The People, which can be revoked at any time, by force if necessary. The high potential for the Militia to become culturally backwards and tyrannical, just like this individual, is precisely why the Second Amendment exists. It acknowledges that their training and organization is necessary to our common defense, but above all it calls on we The People to keep them in check. The entire purpose is for us to have the same arms as them, and, by implication, to know how to use them. His statements are borderline treasonous. Seditious at best.

[SteyrAUG]

He's the poster child for why the Second Amendment exists in the first place. The attitudes brewing in military and law enforcement culture are not only morally reprehensible but make it obvious that they as a group have absolutely zero understanding of the document to which they took their oaths.

When you say "military and law enforcement culture" that presumes or suggests all of them, or even most of them, and that simply isn't the case. While mostly true or strongly true when it comes to the political leadership, the rank and file know they will be on their own with the rest of us if the hammer ever comes down.

Those guys don't own those M-16s, those officers don't own those MP5s. And if the day comes that they find themselves by themselves, they will be thankful for any non MIL/LE types who have any kind of useful training.

[SteyrAUG]

I hate to say this but Swenson is probably as high as he is gonna go, MoH or not. He'll likely retire as a LtCol. He pissed into the Wheaties of several people high on the food chain, essentially calling them out for lack of support. IIRC he was originally awarded the Silver Star as a finger to the eye for "complaining" but enough evidence was brought forward into the limelight (including much from Meyers himself) that they couldn't thwart it any longer. Obviously Congress makes the award but you know damn well there were a few senior flag officers who had their panties in a wad over it, gritting their teeth, but couldn't do a damn thing about it.....except put his career in quicksand.

Sounds like he could have had better support during the event in question, but that is probably true of ALL MOH winners, most Marines and lots and lots of other people who found their ass out in the wind one sunny day when the shooting started in earnest.

He's probably entitled to his hurt feelings, lots of other guys would have quit and hit eject, he stayed behind to do what he felt was his duty and that gives him grounds to criticize others when he finds them wanting rather it's true or not.

While he shouldn't automatically get a new career as a celebrity or be promoted into the stratosphere, by the same token he shouldn't have been sandbagged for shooting his mouth off about things even if it probably is unbecoming to a Marine. I feel he's earned his right to bitch about shit a little bit.

[CRAMBONE]

Sounds like he could have had better support during the event in question, but that is probably true of ALL MOH winners, most Marines and lots and lots of other people who found their ass out in the wind one sunny day when the shooting started in earnest.

He's probably entitled to his hurt feelings, lots of other guys would have quit and hit eject, he stayed behind to do what he felt was his duty and that gives him grounds to criticize others when he finds them wanting rather it's true or not.

While he shouldn't automatically get a new career as a celebrity or be promoted into the stratosphere, by the same token he shouldn't have been sandbagged for shooting his mouth off about things even if it probably is unbecoming to a Marine. I feel he's earned his right to bitch about shit a little bit.

Supposedly that’s why Chesty Puller was never awarded the MOH. He ran his mouth too much.