80% Jig Question

[Dutch110]

Evidently you have no answer to my question.

I really dgaf if you want one or not. And I have zero interest in convincing you one way or another.

It's rather telling, however, that you feel the need to vehemently state your "opinion" on a product with which you have, by your own admission, absolutely no experience with. Which makes your "opinion" absolutely useless in the context of this thread. Seems to me you just want to argue about 80% lowers.

[Leaveammoforme]

Have a buddy who loves the 5D. The 5D came out after I was done doing mine. I completed several on a clamshell style jig. I'm sure the same "slow and steady" applies regardless of what jig a person uses.

What drives you guys to build 80% lowers? I never under stood the attraction.

For me it was the ability to pick every single rollmark. Have one that has a serial number which consists of family members birthdays. Can't buy that off a shelf.

[utahjeepr]

What drives you guys to build 80% lowers? I never under stood the attraction.

Well, cause I have a mill. I don't have the ability to forge my own lower. If I did I might try a 0%. I also forge my own Damascus billets and forge my own knives. I don't do it cause it's better. I do it cause I just feel like doin it.

ETA: I also built my own break open 12 GA once, from scratch. It's heavy, ungainly, and to be honest it kinda looks like freshly boiled ass... but I did it and it works.

[ViniVidivici]

Evidently you have no answer to my question.

That's because nobody gives a shit about your question.

[camoman]

I know a guy who bought a Modulus jig, which is almost exactly the same as a 5D jig.
Long story short, it has pumped out so many working lowers, The bushings are wore out.
The major difference between Modulus, and 5D is customer service. My buddy can’t even get replacement side plates, with bushings from Modulus, where if he would have bought the 5D, it wouldn’t be a problem.
Oh, and 5Ds lowers are gtg also.
I have done a few myself.

[camoman]

Man, using a Modulus jig (5D rip off, or vice versa)
I have literally completed a 6061 billet lower in about 40 minutes, start to finish.
And it is not butchered in any way.
The design makes it almost easy.
7075 T6 is another story though, you have to go much slower with 7075 T6 lowers, or it will get away from you, and or destroy the router, endmill, etc.
There is nothing more satisfying then milling a working lower, and that would be the main reason for the 80%, or building anything, a house, a firearm...etc.
To some people, building their own things, make those things, worth more then anything store bought could ever.

[GH41]

Well, cause I have a mill. I don't have the ability to forge my own lower. If I did I might try a 0%. I also forge my own Damascus billets and forge my own knives. I don't do it cause it's better. I do it cause I just feel like doin it.

ETA: I also built my own break open 12 GA once, from scratch. It's heavy, ungainly, and to be honest it kinda looks like freshly boiled ass... but I did it and it works.

You are probably the exception. It sounds like you have the equipment and skill set to finish the 80% lower without the bullshit jigs/fixtures. The other guys kill me. The same ones who wouldn't be caught dead with $90 PSA lower or a 9310 bolt think their homemade lower is better than sliced bread because they did it.

[Dutch110]

You are probably the exception. It sounds like you have the equipment and skill set to finish the 80% lower without the bullshit jigs/fixtures. The other guys kill me. The same ones who wouldn't be caught dead with $90 PSA lower or a 9310 bolt think their homemade lower is better than sliced bread because they did it.

Based on your plethora of experience using 80% jigs and producing lowers? Oh, that's right, you've never done it or tried it so have no practical experience upon which to base your opinion. And you are putting words in people's mouths. No one in this thread made any such claims concerning 80% lowers being better than or worse than anything mass produced. Why are you even still commenting in here?

[Diamondback]

EVERYBODY is a crap machinist at first, with few exceptions. It's through practice and repetition that we get better.

The one 80% I did was for a two-part article I was writing at Redstate, trying to illustrate that "the genie is out of the bottle." It came out utter crap and I wouldn't use it for anything anybody could bet their life on, but it took parts and functioned well enough to use on a range-toy plinker--and I believe had I had proper tools I could have done better than I did with just a cordless hand drill, but that was part of the point of the "any retard with a few hours and power tools can do this" exercise.

I no longer write there nor even give them clicks as a reader, but do a search on "Redstate Lunch Hour Lower" and that should get you the two parts.

[Leaveammoforme]

You are probably the exception. It sounds like you have the equipment and skill set to finish the 80% lower without the bullshit jigs/fixtures. The other guys kill me. The same ones who wouldn't be caught dead with $90 PSA lower or a 9310 bolt think their homemade lower is better than sliced bread because they did it.

I would argue that there are more experienced individuals in this thread than the inexperienced.