S&W M&P12

[robbins290]

looks like S&W has made a new design, not sure why they went with a bull pup.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/mp12

[Hank6046]

Looks like you beat me by a few minutes @Moderator please delete my thread.

[robbins290]

After taking a look at it, I am going to have to pass. Looks too Call of dutyish for me. I am in the market for a compact shotgun. But surely not going with that. Specially at the high MSRP.

[WickedWillis]

After taking a look at it, I am going to have to pass. Looks too Call of dutyish for me. I am in the market for a compact shotgun. But surely not going with that. Specially at the high MSRP.

As much as I wanted to hate the KSG, the design, thoughts and compactness are amazing. It just does not run reliably enough. I liked everything else about it.

This might be a winner for S&W, but it looks like they kidnapped the designer of the KSG and gave them better QC.

[titsonritz]

LOL. S&W knocking off Kel-Tec. I guess it is no less bizarro world than anything else going on these days. Hopefully S&W's execution is better. I'll wait for the 2.0 model.

[kwb377]

LOL. S&W knocking off Kel-Tec.

LOL...considering this entire site is based on a rifle produced by dozens of manufacturers knocking off Armalite's design.

[Ron3]

They would have made more money by selling more revolvers after increasing QC and discontinuing the safety locks.

In addition, most people will buy a $500 Turkish semi-auto bullpup shotgun that doesn't work well or a $500 pump-action Kel-Tec shotgun that doesn't work well before spending twice that on a S&W bullpup pump-action shotgun that may or may not work well.

The wise ones buy Beretta's, Benelli's, and upgraded 870's and 590's. (And a few older "classics" like Ithica, etc)

[robbins290]

Not going to lie, if this thing was in 20 gauge. I would totally but it.

Looking for a compact 20 gauge pump. Much like the remington 870 #25561. That fits the bill if it was in 20 gauge.