Israel retiring the Tavor in favor of the M4

[utahjeepr]

It is really hard to compete against the M16/M4. It's design is adaptable. Easy to modify, maintain, and repair. It is difficult to find any competitor that marks a significant improvement or can perform the job substantially better.

Then of course you have its primary strength in today's market, economy of scale.

[MountainRaven]

Wonder if the civvie versions will be discontinued at some point?

There is a significant export market that exists for the Tavor, so I wouldn't expect that to happen any time soon. So long as they sell enough to justify keeping the production lines running, they'll keep on making them.

[georgeib]

Taliban just got 300,000 M4s in pristine condition for free.

Well, you can't beat that price.

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

Well the media apparently got it at least partially wrong. I have to say the micro Tavor is really better at something that the AR 15 pattern is not particularly good at—-short barreled reliability.




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[HKGuns]

Well the media apparently got it at least partially wrong.

The media got something wrong? That is just not possible.....................

[BoringGuy45]

I think the Tavor suffered the same problem that all the “3rd Generation” assault rifles of the late 90s and early 2000s suffered: They were decent, but just not any major improvement over the rifles they were designed to replace. In that, it suffered the same problem as the SCAR. The AR design has gone from 20 years ago being considered obsolete to now being recognized as ahead of its time.

From what I remember, the decision to adopt the Tavor was one of insider deals, as well as national pride. The Israelis wanted an Israeli designed rifle, and the fact that it’s a bullpup was used as a selling point for being the best close quarters weapon. M4s were WAY less expensive for the Israelis to buy, but they wanted to go with national pride. Of course, as is the case in most countries, the conventional troops went to the bullpup rifle while the special forces opted to stay with the M4.

I have to wonder, with Israel ditching the Tavor and France ditching the FAMAS a couple years ago for the 416, are we starting to see the death of bullpups? I have to wonder if the UK is going to finally give up the L85 soon and go with the M4, C8, or 416.

The AR, in its various forms, has now replaced the FAL as the Right Arm of the Free World.

[TED]

It's almost as if the IDF and IWI have some sort of drug deal where the IDF says we have officially adopted XYZ then IWI markets it as "IDF official issue", then IDF says nevermind, back to the M4.

[SteyrAUG]

It's almost as if the IDF and IWI have some sort of drug deal where the IDF says we have officially adopted XYZ then IWI markets it as "IDF official issue", then IDF says nevermind, back to the M4.

I actually appreciate that Israel beta tests ideas like Galils and Tavors. Not everything can be a game changer like the Uzi was.

[okie]

I actually appreciate that Israel beta tests ideas like Galils and Tavors. Not everything can be a game changer like the Uzi was.

Was it though? I've never shot one, but isn't it just a pretty typical open bolt SMG?

[Esq.]

Was it though? I've never shot one, but isn't it just a pretty typical open bolt SMG?

Ever seen a VZ 26? Lots of similarities....