Holy Smokes this is bad.

[Delta-3]

We are NOT outnumbered by the leftists and wierdos.

WE outnumber THEM. What we lack is unity, cohesion, logistics and planning with clear goals.

WE definitely do outnumber THEM.

Exactly this! I might also add "fortitude."

[SteyrAUG]

We are NOT outnumbered by the leftists and wierdos.

WE outnumber THEM. What we lack is unity, cohesion, logistics and planning with clear goals.

WE definitely do outnumber THEM.

Not sure I agree. Last several election with one lone exception suggest otherwise.

Even the "normal" people you think you know are clicking "likes" on BLM pages and support "antifa" because everyone hates "nazis." This popular, even if poorly researched support translates to massive donations and financial support from Amazon and the rest who don't want to upset their customer base.

Probably the MOST organized we've ever been is the NRA with the election of Obama and look how that turned out. Now "we" are the ones "gutting" the NRA, no need for the heavy lifting from anti gunners. Not saying the NRA doesn't have problems and seriously needs better leadership, but we are actively scuttling our own warships.

And for every purple hair, neck tattoo marxist waving an antifa flag, we sadly have our own extremists including some very vocal actual nazis (even if their numbers are below 100 nationwide) who think Trump was actually talking about them when he was talking about helping real conservatives. We also have ultra fundamentalists who think rape victims should be forced to have the child because abortion is wrong. We have the LARPer "patriot" brigade who believes that open carrying a slung AR-15 into Starbucks helps forward second amendment issues and they put their activism on social media with the same bravado as antifa clowns.

The rest are mostly, grossly uniformed. They are content to get news from their facebook feed because it's "convenient" and they never take the time to look at the actual source for the story and it's not like the MSM is strongly vetting information these days even if they get a somewhat credible source.

I know more than a few "serious" conservatives with military backgrounds, who have CCWs because they are strong second amendment advocates but easily 50% of the "links" they forward to me are 100% opinion news with wholly unsubstantiated "facts." I gave up sending them sourced corrections years ago.

The one thing they have in common is IF and WHEN they actually announce the Big Boog, they will all show up for the first phase of FBI round ups of extremist patriot groups.

Now all is not lost, but we are seriously playing defensive ball and a million red ants can still bring down an elephant.

[fz1boxer]

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[HKGuns]

Not sure I agree. Last several election with one lone exception suggest otherwise.

Even the "normal" people you think you know are clicking "likes" on BLM pages and support "antifa" because everyone hates "nazis." This popular, even if poorly researched support translates to massive donations and financial support from Amazon and the rest who don't want to upset their customer base.

Probably the MOST organized we've ever been is the NRA with the election of Obama and look how that turned out. Now "we" are the ones "gutting" the NRA, no need for the heavy lifting from anti gunners. Not saying the NRA doesn't have problems and seriously needs better leadership, but we are actively scuttling our own warships.

Yep, drove to the house of the person I work for to get something signed. A very high level person in a very large company. Interestingly he is a 1st generation German immigrant. Boldly displayed on his garage was a rather large BLM sign. Will never look at him the same again. I knew he was very likely a liberal, I just didn't think he was stupid.

The NRA thing really annoys me.......and you're right. Too many of "us" ruin the good by looking for perfection.

[Alex V]

Talk about apples and watermelons.

So back then it was people who wanted freedom from the monarchy vs. those who wished to remain a B ritish subject. But even the loyalists weren't batshit insane and bent on the destruction of everything.

So keep hitting me with quotes about a time and place that is no longer possible and I'll see ya at Wright's Tavern for the super secret "patriots only" gathering. I'll be the guy in the "I'm Not A FBI Agent" t shirt. The secret knock is two taps...wait a few seconds...one tap....wait a few seconds...and then two more taps.

But don't tell anyone...it's a secret.

I call dibs on "Liberty Tree" for the name of my militia and I need to be made a Lt. Colonel at least. We'll need to make lists of people who need to be shot and those who only need to be tarred and feathered. I figure we can recruit from the next LARP convention or airsoft event.

You can discount it and laugh, but that won't slow the destruction of this country or prevent our eventual enslavement. You can consider those old notions hokey, out dated and unable to be repeated, but in my humble opinion, that is the very reason we are in the situation we're in.

[Entryteam]

If we crush the Deep State "interagency consensus" bureaucracy, that's a huge chunk of the problem solved by itself.

Get rid of ANY federal agency besides the marshal service. Relegate them to ONLY perform fugitive apprehension or court security. NO Fbi/Dea/Atf/Dhs, etc. Ever again, in perpetuity.

[glocktogo]

I've said it before on here and will repeat it: the FBI should be disbanded and EVERY SINGLE ONE of those agents should be fired. Distribute their various responsibilities to other Federal LE organizations. They are a corrupt plague on our society and should be dealt with without mercy. ALL of them. Remember, it's the "rank and file" agents (who Hannity fellates) that tie people up with that bullshit "lying to a Federal agent" gotcha-charge. Sure, their superiors approve it, but they are involved with it at the ground level. BTW, that law should be repealed.

Also, don't give a damn if this is a popular opinion or not.

If you're a federal agent or attorney in ANY agency, and you've ever filed a 1001 case against a person without any other supporting charges, then you don't have evidence of an underlying crime. So WTF are you actually doing? Harassing American citizens is what you're doing, and you're part of the problem!

[jsbhike]

If you're a federal agent or attorney in ANY agency, and you've ever filed a 1001 case against a person without any other supporting charges, then you don't have evidence of an underlying crime. So WTF are you actually doing? Harassing American citizens is what you're doing, and you're part of the problem!

That came up once upon a time.

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

Different players, same basic idea:

"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

[ViniVidivici]

Indeed.

I make it a point to read it, the whole thing, every July 4th.

Read it again the other day, on 9/11.

It has once again become very relevant to our current situation.

[SteyrAUG]

You can discount it and laugh, but that won't slow the destruction of this country or prevent our eventual enslavement. You can consider those old notions hokey, out dated and unable to be repeated, but in my humble opinion, that is the very reason we are in the situation we're in.

So again.

1. Already doing what I can do to the extent of my influence in my local area.

2. Ready and willing to do anything additional, if and when it presents itself.


Again, if you or anyone else has a plan or ideas for things that we are not currently doing, that are more viable than "Storm Area 51 / Storm the Capitol Building", please let us know.

Because simply understanding the Constitution and quoting the founding fathers doesn't really move the ball...at all. I've been doing that for two decades and it's just words on the internet.

Hell I've been talking for years about an "easy one", removing the sporter clause from the 1968 GCA and 80% of gun rights activists still don't know what it is and not a single group from the NRA to the GOA has ever mentioned it much less decided to go after it.

So believe me, I know your frustration. Until then Lt. Col. AUG will be faithfully building the "Liberty Tree" militia and awaiting our marching orders. Let us know when the shooting starts in earnest.