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    CGS Group Helios QD

    Anyone have any experience with this can? As in has anyone shot one, owned one? It looks like a great can but wanted to hear some first hand impressions. Not a fan of the system they have in regards to having to use their adapter and then put another adapter just to do QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voodoochild View Post
    Anyone have any experience with this can? As in has anyone shot one, owned one? It looks like a great can but wanted to hear some first hand impressions. Not a fan of the system they have in regards to having to use their adapter and then put another adapter just to do QD.
    The QD Ring is just an extension of the tube. The sole negative of it is that it adds a bit of length, and that is due to other manufacturers long muzzle devices. The QD Ring was done for a very good reason that'll make more sense in the future, beyond that it saves length in direct thread config. Some QD combinations don't require the use of the QD Ring.

    The additive manufacturing process we use makes our rifle silencers far stronger than other comparative rifle silencers for a few reasons. Our manufacturing process creates parts with even higher strength and hardness than billet or forgings or castings or MIM, and does so with increased material density. There are no welds so there are no welds to fail and no welds to warp causing concentricity problems along the length of the silencer. This eliminates welding issues such as welds breaking and their byproducts such as warping, entirely. The monolithic structure and lack of welds make CGS rifle silencers very strong and eliminates failures, concentricity problems, and QC issues from welds. Even if the weld looks perfectly silver on the exterior you can easily have something that looks fine on the outside but the weld won’t penetrate properly for a number of reasons such as electrical problems within the machine itself, operator error, contamination, etc, so it’ll be super weak and it won’t be caught until the weld failure occurs in the end users hands as their using it. That applies to all materials, not just titanium, and failures like that are part of why CGS no longer gets silencers welded by another silencer company.

    The Hyperion VCD design itself makes the silencer stronger than any other comparative silencer by better controlling heat and pressure to prevent hot spots from forming. The first chamber is immediately vented and gas is allowed to flow around the first core and is then reintroduced to the main flow further down stream and this also helps reduce thermal signature. Simplicity in design eliminates small, complex cavities and other undesirable features. The titanium silencers also have a proprietary heat treatment applied which further increases strength and hardness. They're internally coated with hexagonal boron nitride which decreases friction, increases surface hardness, and prevents fouling from sticking in the first place which eliminates the need to clean because fouling can't easily stick to internal geometry, though they still could be cleaned if ever required. The internal coating also limits/eliminates titanium white sparking depending on cartridge and barrel length. Titanium white sparking is a separate thing from flash and can't be controlled with a flash hider. The exterior is coated with black DLC. They're also the only dual function silencers available that can be converted simply by changing out the front cap with a 7/8" wrench. This allows you to have a traditional type silencer and a flow bypass type silencer all in one simple package. With future front cap releases it'll also be adjustable across the entire spectrum of sound, flash, and gas reduction just by swapping out the front cap. No longer do you have to live with just one permanent setting on a silencer. Both front caps and rear caps are retained with shallow taper joints which helps with concentricity and cap retention as it has more grip than a square shoulder. This also makes it future proof so regardless of when new front or rear caps are made they'll always be concentric to the silencer bore.

    CGS rifle silencers are also some of the very few that don't sacrifice subsonic performance to achieve supersonic performance, it excels at both without compromise. Usually rifle silencers will either be good at supersonic and mediocre at subsonic, or good at subsonic and mediocre at supersonic. This can be seen with SIG and Q silencers where they're good at subsonic suppression but don't perform with supersonic ammo anywhere near as well. Since 99% of strikes occur on the front cap, since we don't use any welds in our silencers, and since our DMLS process creates a superior product in every meaningful way there's nothing that's going to need repairing other than on extremely rare occasion the front cap which is easily sent in the mail. In over four years no DMLS rifle silencers have been returned for repair from military, government, or commercial customers or consultants because the root of the primary problems are eliminated.

    The Hyperion VCD technology is also used in our GPMG 762 silencer made for the M240, MAG 58, MK48, etc as well as belt fed 338 Norma Magnum machine guns. Here's 1259rds fired through one on an M240: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx_pqId55N8

    The effectiveness of this technology can also be seen plainly in the Helios QD. It's nearly 2" shorter than a Thunderbeast Ultra 9 but it's very nearly the same suppression level and the Helios QD is just as capable of a precision long range rifle silencer as an Ultra 9, if not more so: https://pewscience.com/sound-signatu...-qd-savage-308 and https://pewscience.com/sound-signatu...a-9-savage-308

    The Helios QD is a DMLS 718 Inconel rifle silencer with a modular rear socket so you can use direct thread or any 1.375x24 pattern QD mount. Helios QD currently comes as a complete kit of parts which includes the Helios QD Core, 1/2x28 rear cap, 5/8x24 rear cap, 1.375x24 QD Adapter Ring, solid front cap, full vent front cap, hook wrench, all in an SKB hard case. It was originally designed for a 10.4" select fire 5.56 carbine and similar such as the MK18, and the M249, MK46, and variants. It's a hard use SBR and machine gun silencer capable of being used even on 5.5" 5.56. See these links and make sure to read captions and comments as that's where questions will already be answered:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CTmva-gJPwT/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B5F9P1mgxUe/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B5HAuDagxAU/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B9ZtgSgJJPA/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B8HdYxEJmXt/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B8Wl_ByJRRz/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-YHr_dJtlk/

    All CGS rifle silencers have interchangeable front caps which provide dual function capability and in the future additional front caps will be available which will allow you to adjust the silencer across the spectrum of sound/flash/gas reduction. Some front caps will have further enhanced flash hiding capability, as well as for the vented front caps which will have a flash hider for each peripheral vent for as close to complete signature reduction as is possible. All CGS rifle silencers standard front caps have a micro flash hider built into the 7/8" hex feature. For 5.56 there's no point in using the vented cap on either model. The bore diameter of both models is .355 - .375 tapering larger going forward. On 5.56 this eliminates strike potential even on super short barrels. It vents enough gas on it's own with 5.56 that the vented cap is unnecessary.

    The Helios QD will be available in titanium any day in the next few weeks. The Helios QD adds 6.58" to your host firearm in it's default direct thread configuration. Direct thread is the way to go for most people’s real life, logical, practical uses. A lot of people buy QD systems or QD silencers even though they aren’t going to use that feature or use it to its actual advantage or purpose, and choose to live with its downsides whether they realize they’re there or not. People's concerns about direct thread silencers coming loose comes from handgun silencers, silencers without wrench flats such as the Omega 300, people who choose not to use wrench flats when provided, and people not using the SIG 25° taper shoulder interface when hand tightening. Use a wrench and the silencer coming loose is a complete non-issue.

    PewScience is the only valid, unbiased, and accurate silencer sound testing available to consumers and everyone else including manufacturers, dealers, distributors, and YouTubers and it's the sole source of data everyone should be using and referencing for data on silencer sound. Everything else you see, for example anytime you see single peak meter data like in Silencer Shop videos or when you see any form of data from companies that sell or manufacture silencers or silencer mounts or accessories in general, is simply meaningless entertainment for the uninformed consumer/viewer being passed off as science and fact. PewScience has tested some stuff on 5.56 already, it's just not been published yet.


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    Silencers, firing devices/initiators/detonators, and custom precision rifles.

    www.cgsgroup.com
    sales@cgsgroup.com

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    Appreciate the insightful reply. Lots of info to digest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paco ramirez View Post
    The QD Ring is just an extension of the tube. The sole negative of it is that it adds a bit of length, and that is due to other manufacturers long muzzle devices. The QD Ring was done for a very good reason that'll make more sense in the future, beyond that it saves length in direct thread config. Some QD combinations don't require the use of the QD Ring.

    The additive manufacturing process we use makes our rifle silencers far stronger than other comparative rifle silencers for a few reasons. Our manufacturing process creates parts with even higher strength and hardness than billet or forgings or castings or MIM, and does so with increased material density. There are no welds so there are no welds to fail and no welds to warp causing concentricity problems along the length of the silencer. This eliminates welding issues such as welds breaking and their byproducts such as warping, entirely. The monolithic structure and lack of welds make CGS rifle silencers very strong and eliminates failures, concentricity problems, and QC issues from welds. Even if the weld looks perfectly silver on the exterior you can easily have something that looks fine on the outside but the weld won’t penetrate properly for a number of reasons such as electrical problems within the machine itself, operator error, contamination, etc, so it’ll be super weak and it won’t be caught until the weld failure occurs in the end users hands as their using it. That applies to all materials, not just titanium, and failures like that are part of why CGS no longer gets silencers welded by another silencer company.

    The Hyperion VCD design itself makes the silencer stronger than any other comparative silencer by better controlling heat and pressure to prevent hot spots from forming. The first chamber is immediately vented and gas is allowed to flow around the first core and is then reintroduced to the main flow further down stream and this also helps reduce thermal signature. Simplicity in design eliminates small, complex cavities and other undesirable features. The titanium silencers also have a proprietary heat treatment applied which further increases strength and hardness. They're internally coated with hexagonal boron nitride which decreases friction, increases surface hardness, and prevents fouling from sticking in the first place which eliminates the need to clean because fouling can't easily stick to internal geometry, though they still could be cleaned if ever required. The internal coating also limits/eliminates titanium white sparking depending on cartridge and barrel length. Titanium white sparking is a separate thing from flash and can't be controlled with a flash hider. The exterior is coated with black DLC. They're also the only dual function silencers available that can be converted simply by changing out the front cap with a 7/8" wrench. This allows you to have a traditional type silencer and a flow bypass type silencer all in one simple package. With future front cap releases it'll also be adjustable across the entire spectrum of sound, flash, and gas reduction just by swapping out the front cap. No longer do you have to live with just one permanent setting on a silencer. Both front caps and rear caps are retained with shallow taper joints which helps with concentricity and cap retention as it has more grip than a square shoulder. This also makes it future proof so regardless of when new front or rear caps are made they'll always be concentric to the silencer bore.

    CGS rifle silencers are also some of the very few that don't sacrifice subsonic performance to achieve supersonic performance, it excels at both without compromise. Usually rifle silencers will either be good at supersonic and mediocre at subsonic, or good at subsonic and mediocre at supersonic. This can be seen with SIG and Q silencers where they're good at subsonic suppression but don't perform with supersonic ammo anywhere near as well. Since 99% of strikes occur on the front cap, since we don't use any welds in our silencers, and since our DMLS process creates a superior product in every meaningful way there's nothing that's going to need repairing other than on extremely rare occasion the front cap which is easily sent in the mail. In over four years no DMLS rifle silencers have been returned for repair from military, government, or commercial customers or consultants because the root of the primary problems are eliminated.

    The Hyperion VCD technology is also used in our GPMG 762 silencer made for the M240, MAG 58, MK48, etc as well as belt fed 338 Norma Magnum machine guns. Here's 1259rds fired through one on an M240: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx_pqId55N8

    The effectiveness of this technology can also be seen plainly in the Helios QD. It's nearly 2" shorter than a Thunderbeast Ultra 9 but it's very nearly the same suppression level and the Helios QD is just as capable of a precision long range rifle silencer as an Ultra 9, if not more so: https://pewscience.com/sound-signatu...-qd-savage-308 and https://pewscience.com/sound-signatu...a-9-savage-308

    The Helios QD is a DMLS 718 Inconel rifle silencer with a modular rear socket so you can use direct thread or any 1.375x24 pattern QD mount. Helios QD currently comes as a complete kit of parts which includes the Helios QD Core, 1/2x28 rear cap, 5/8x24 rear cap, 1.375x24 QD Adapter Ring, solid front cap, full vent front cap, hook wrench, all in an SKB hard case. It was originally designed for a 10.4" select fire 5.56 carbine and similar such as the MK18, and the M249, MK46, and variants. It's a hard use SBR and machine gun silencer capable of being used even on 5.5" 5.56. See these links and make sure to read captions and comments as that's where questions will already be answered:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CTmva-gJPwT/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B5F9P1mgxUe/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B5HAuDagxAU/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B9ZtgSgJJPA/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B8HdYxEJmXt/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B8Wl_ByJRRz/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-YHr_dJtlk/

    All CGS rifle silencers have interchangeable front caps which provide dual function capability and in the future additional front caps will be available which will allow you to adjust the silencer across the spectrum of sound/flash/gas reduction. Some front caps will have further enhanced flash hiding capability, as well as for the vented front caps which will have a flash hider for each peripheral vent for as close to complete signature reduction as is possible. All CGS rifle silencers standard front caps have a micro flash hider built into the 7/8" hex feature. For 5.56 there's no point in using the vented cap on either model. The bore diameter of both models is .355 - .375 tapering larger going forward. On 5.56 this eliminates strike potential even on super short barrels. It vents enough gas on it's own with 5.56 that the vented cap is unnecessary.

    The Helios QD will be available in titanium any day in the next few weeks. The Helios QD adds 6.58" to your host firearm in it's default direct thread configuration. Direct thread is the way to go for most people’s real life, logical, practical uses. A lot of people buy QD systems or QD silencers even though they aren’t going to use that feature or use it to its actual advantage or purpose, and choose to live with its downsides whether they realize they’re there or not. People's concerns about direct thread silencers coming loose comes from handgun silencers, silencers without wrench flats such as the Omega 300, people who choose not to use wrench flats when provided, and people not using the SIG 25° taper shoulder interface when hand tightening. Use a wrench and the silencer coming loose is a complete non-issue.

    PewScience is the only valid, unbiased, and accurate silencer sound testing available to consumers and everyone else including manufacturers, dealers, distributors, and YouTubers and it's the sole source of data everyone should be using and referencing for data on silencer sound. Everything else you see, for example anytime you see single peak meter data like in Silencer Shop videos or when you see any form of data from companies that sell or manufacture silencers or silencer mounts or accessories in general, is simply meaningless entertainment for the uninformed consumer/viewer being passed off as science and fact. PewScience has tested some stuff on 5.56 already, it's just not been published yet.


    How much is the weight of the TI system with direct thread mount?

    Sorry if I already asked this elsewhere. I can't remember crap anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mig1nc View Post
    How much is the weight of the TI system with direct thread mount?

    Sorry if I already asked this elsewhere. I can't remember crap anymore.
    I'm pretty sure it's 11.6oz (331g) with default 1/2x28 direct thread config and 11oz (314g)with the QD Ring replacing the direct thread mount. Obviously if you're using the QD Ring you aren't using the 1/2x28 direct thread rear cap and are instead using whatever 1.375x24 pattern QD mount you want.

    The core weight is 270g, the front cap is 18g, the 1/2x28 direct thread rear cap is 43g, and the QD Ring is 26g.

    Apparently there's something going on with it later tonight, maybe it'll be released: https://www.instagram.com/p/CT5WAIihs2M/
    CGS Group LLC
    Silencers, firing devices/initiators/detonators, and custom precision rifles.

    www.cgsgroup.com
    sales@cgsgroup.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco ramirez View Post
    I'm pretty sure it's 11.6oz (331g) with default 1/2x28 direct thread config and 11oz (314g)with the QD Ring replacing the direct thread mount. Obviously if you're using the QD Ring you aren't using the 1/2x28 direct thread rear cap and are instead using whatever 1.375x24 pattern QD mount you want.

    The core weight is 270g, the front cap is 18g, the 1/2x28 direct thread rear cap is 43g, and the QD Ring is 26g.

    Apparently there's something going on with it later tonight, maybe it'll be released: https://www.instagram.com/p/CT5WAIihs2M/
    Thank you, sir. I appreciate the reply.


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