American Heroes Channel......WTF?

[Arik]

Strawman, thy name is Arik.
For what it’s worth American eugenicists criticized Nazi germany for not being as stringent as we were here.

Sure sure. Whatever so long as I'm not defending fascists. But hey you goose step all you want

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[Arik]

Yep, US sci/med/political elite was years ahead of Germany on eugenics and I seem to recall that being the case with the UK's top tier miscreants as well.

And the US wrong doing kept going with the syphilis experiments in to the early 70's(before 1 guy didn't take to the collective wrong doing) and scum like Dr. Kligman mentioned in the link below.

Kligman was recognized for his contributions around the time of his death which(along with Kligman and kindred spirits dying of old age instead of short drop hangings) is indicative that the sci/med community was never taught the appropriate lesson and sure has no desire to draw the correct conclusion on it's own.

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/com...-20210104.html

Let me know how many extermination camps US had! He keeps skipping that part. I'm guessing all those people must have been sexual predators and/or communists

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[jsbhike]

Let me know how many extermination camps US had! He keeps skipping that part. I'm guessing all those people must have been sexual predators and/or communists

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The US did start a concentration camp system and some US citizens were killed in those camps. I don't find any of that acceptable which is the same view I hold on Nazis, communists, fascists of any country, or any other name picked by statists/totalitarians/et al.

Out of curiosity, how many people could the Nazis have killed in their camps that you would have found acceptable and not try what seems to be an argument the US wasn't as bad due to numbers?

I have seen that used on Nazi vs. US stuff as well as loss of some freedom here(we still have more gun rights, speech rights and so on versus China) and it is bewildering to me to say the least.

And I do consider communists and sexual predators(as well as non-sexual predators) to be a problem worthy of a what ever is required to stop them from inflicting themselves on their victims regardless of their place of birth, current address, occupation....name what ever descriptive criteria you wish combo'd with communist or predator and I am opposed to them since they wish to victimize someone.

[Grendelshooter]

Let me know how many extermination camps US had! He keeps skipping that part. I'm guessing all those people must have been sexual predators and/or communists

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Well it’s interesting you bring that up-there weren’t any extermination camps in Germany.
At first they were ALL extermination camps.
Then, after the war, it was shown that there weren’t any extermination/death camps in the allied zone of occupation.
Then, after the Cold War ended, it was shown that there weren’t any death camps in the soviet zone of Germany either.
So the current story is that it was just prison camps in Germany, and the death camps were in occupied countries.
But then you see things like the death toll at Auschwitz consistently being revised down, from 4 million murdered there to now, I think, less than a million.
The human soap and lampshades were a lie, as were the 5 million non-Jews murdered. Simply made up out of thin air. Simon Wiesenthal was a liar-see this Times of Israel piece:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/rememb...st-historians/

So the story continues to change.

That said, how many tens of millions of Christians did the soviets, our allies and the nation and system we fought and died to save, murder? How many US citizens were locked up without due process in places like manzanar, and had their property seized permanently? I grew up with a few of them.

As to Fascism, it has a lot going for it and if this country is the only alternative, well I’ll start polishing my boots.

And no, I don’t think we were the good guys.
At best, there were no good guys, at worst we killed our ancestral European brothers to save Stalinist communism that has infected us.

[Jellybean]

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We will never know what would have happened under National Socialist rule in Germany, because the United States and the Soviet Union teamed up to crush it. That’s very strange when you think about it. What common ground would capitalist America and communist soviets have shared to see crushing Nazi germany as being in both their best interests. I simply don’t know, it just doesn’t make sense to someone raised in the waning days of the Cold War.....

Well... that and they put a nutter in charge. Seriously. The dude should have listened to his Wermacht commanders and not been such a twat.
THEN maybe we'd have seen. But apparently some people started to believe their own press.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" would be a good summation of Post-WW1 Germany.

Sorry, but I'm half Polish, so I am kinda obligated to hate everyone...

[Grendelshooter]

Well... that and they put a nutter in charge. Seriously. The dude should have listened to his Wermacht commanders and not been such a twat.
THEN maybe we'd have seen. But apparently some people started to believe their own press.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" would be a good summation of Post-WW1 Germany.

Sorry, but I'm half Polish, so I am kinda obligated to hate everyone...

Everyone talks about the Jews having a bad time of it, but they know nothing of the poles.
Literally stomped by both the Germans and the soviets.
The causus belli for which the British and French started the war.
Then, abandoned by the west and given away to Stalin before the war was even over.
Piles SHOULD hate everyone.

Fun fact-the Poles had some of the largest contingents of fighters out of the foreign regiments in the British armed forces.
They showed up after the fall of Poland and only asked to be given the opportunity to fight to reclaim their homeland.
The British took them in with open arms, and after the war tried to charge the polish government for the cost of the war material the polish used while fighting under British colors.
Again, poles should hate everyone, particularly the perfidious Anglo.

[jsbhike]

Everyone talks about the Jews having a bad time of it, but they know nothing of the poles.
Literally stomped by both the Germans and the soviets.
The causus belli for which the British and French started the war.
Then, abandoned by the west and given away to Stalin before the war was even over.
Piles SHOULD hate everyone.

Fun fact-the Poles had some of the largest contingents of fighters out of the foreign regiments in the British armed forces.
They showed up after the fall of Poland and only asked to be given the opportunity to fight to reclaim their homeland.
The British took them in with open arms, and after the war tried to charge the polish government for the cost of the war material the polish used while fighting under British colors.
Again, poles should hate everyone, particularly the perfidious Anglo.

Poland has always been an interesting story right up to now.

Something I can't figure out is the more or less free pass Japan has received post WWII for evil and bizarre crap they did during the 30s-40s which was easily on par with Nazis &/or any Communist(who also get a free pass) country.

I can understand the Communist free pass in elite circles to prevent drawing attention to the behavior their ideology gravitated to, but Japan is a bit of a head scratcher especially considering US propaganda(what I have seen historically at least) about Japan seemed to be more zealous than what was produced concerning Germany at the same time.

[yoni]

I think it has been a very long time since I have read such a worthless thread.

Revisionist history, that is just wrong and even a defense of the Nazis.

In an other thread, the question was asked if this forum is in decline? With threads like this it for sure is in decline.

AHC, has way too much WW2 stuff, but they have to fill 24 hours every day and I think the problem is nobody is making new content.

[jsbhike]

I think it has been a very long time since I have read such a worthless thread.

Revisionist history, that is just wrong and even a defense of the Nazis.

In an other thread, the question was asked if this forum is in decline? With threads like this it for sure is in decline.

AHC, has way too much WW2 stuff, but they have to fill 24 hours every day and I think the problem is nobody is making new content.

These is some "new" stuff getting put out, but it is on YouTube and fairly short clips done by folks like Mark Felton, Lance Geiger, and some others mentioned.

The "new" is it happened way back then and(fact, false, & in between) recorded then. The general/bulk stuff has sort of been covered well and could be viewed as been done to death.

The Felton, et al stuff required some digging and occasionally gets down to minutiae. Obviously not "new"
, but if the viewer hasn't dug beyond the info presented continuously post WWII odds are then it likely hasn't been heard before.

And there is the free pass bad actors of WWII and other time periods that historians(at least main stream that ends up on TV) don't bring up much.

[ABNAK]

I think it has been a very long time since I have read such a worthless thread.

Revisionist history, that is just wrong and even a defense of the Nazis.

In an other thread, the question was asked if this forum is in decline? With threads like this it for sure is in decline.

AHC, has way too much WW2 stuff, but they have to fill 24 hours every day and I think the problem is nobody is making new content.

I didn't start this thread with that in mind. I was bitching about a TV channel mostly showing a certain type of show all the damn time. It was not intended to devolve into a pro-con Nazi thread.