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    12.5 range

    Sorry if this has been answered, and if so, where?

    I have 12.5 1:8 twist barrel and I am looking for ammo style/weight ect… information. Everything I find is close distance ballistic from a 10.5 inch barrel and I am looking for reliable performance at distance. I am trying to find what ammo selection would give me the best performance at 200 yards (or further?)

    I understand shot placement so on an so forth, the question. Is what ammo provides a lethal wound track, expansion or fragmentation and what are max distance of those rounds?

    Any help is appreciated

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    You’ll be fine with any of the major bonded rounds like gold dot, le223t3/trophy bonded bear claw, fusion etc with a 12.5 at 200. No problems. Gold Dots are known to have pretty low threshold for expansion so you can push them out further and still achieve expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggammell View Post
    You’ll be fine with any of the major bonded rounds like gold dot, le223t3/trophy bonded bear claw, fusion etc with a 12.5 at 200. No problems. Gold Dots are known to have pretty low threshold for expansion so you can push them out further and still achieve expansion.
    What weight would be best for this? The le223t3 is 62 gr, a lot of people tout the 77gr mk262, what end of the spectrum is better?


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    Quote Originally Posted by tk390 View Post
    What weight would be best for this? The le223t3 is 62 gr, a lot of people tout the 77gr mk262, what end of the spectrum is better?


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    What do you want to shoot? Paper or people?

    262 is an open tip match round not well suited for barriers or hard objects. Bear claw is bonded and is suited to punch through obstacles.

    Yes. 262 has put a lot of people in the ground but rules for war and rules for home are different. You’ll notice not many domestic LE agencies use it for people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggammell View Post
    What do you want to shoot? Paper or people?

    262 is an open tip match round not well suited for barriers or hard objects. Bear claw is bonded and is suited to punch through obstacles.

    Yes. 262 has put a lot of people in the ground but rules for war and rules for home are different. You’ll notice not many domestic LE agencies use it for people.
    My department uses federal 55g TRU in 10.5 rock rivers. This works fine in the urban areas but I am trying to gather info for our rural areas in my personal 12.5. As an LEO OTM/hollow point etc. are on the table


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    So people. There is no need for the OTM’s precision orientation for inside 200 yards. It fragments and may not penetrate.

    Whether you’re LE or not matters little about what bullet you use. You will be judged by every trigger pulls as a use of force.

    The 55 TRU is also a terrible round for any barrier. Shoot a car with a hell block or even a paper target for that matter with it. It disintegrates. For a straight up person to person shoot, it may be fine but the number of barriers LE faces routinely, it’s a set up for undesired results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggammell View Post
    So people. There is no need for the OTM’s precision orientation for inside 200 yards. It fragments and may not penetrate.

    Whether you’re LE or not matters little about what bullet you use. You will be judged by every trigger pulls as a use of force.

    The 55 TRU is also a terrible round for any barrier. Shoot a car with a hell block or even a paper target for that matter with it. It disintegrates. For a straight up person to person shoot, it may be fine but the number of barriers LE faces routinely, it’s a set up for undesired results.
    That has been my observation during our vehicle Defence classes. I have seen the rounds stopped by headrest after passing through a barrier (ie glass/door). I thing there is better for distance/barrier and stand off.


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    A really good option is Fusion MSR, also. It will absolutely expand at 200 from a 12.5”. It is similar to the Gold Dots Ggammel mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1168 View Post
    A really good option is Fusion MSR, also. It will absolutely expand at 200 from a 12.5”. It is similar to the Gold Dots Ggammel mentioned.
    Isn't the main difference between 62gr GD and Fusion MSR box and headstamp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1168 View Post
    A really good option is Fusion MSR, also. It will absolutely expand at 200 from a 12.5”. It is similar to the Gold Dots Ggammel mentioned.
    Isn't the main difference between 62gr GD and Fusion MSR box and headstamp?
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