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BTW this is my 4th post. I'm not into social media. I find it's not very authentic,as far as conversation. It's supposed to be a discussion of ideas, & opinion. Facts & statistics can be looked up on Google. I figure shooters come here to be with like minded Americans.
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The overwhelming majority of 5.56 rounds will go straight through a human being.
Look up Bob Keller’s K.O. Drill. When you can complete that come back here and argue over what round is best to shoot someone with, which you will never do anyway.
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Yeah buddy, All kinds of different opinions on the best round & caliber.
Just good people just having a good conversations & sharing opinions.
Iike minded Americans just opining.
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Never done what? Read bob's piece on ballistics or had to shoot at someone. I don't wanna have to do either. Thanks for giving someone else's opinion. You'd be remiss to assume you know what people do, or know.
Last edited by JoeBobJoe; 10-06-21 at 01:09.
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Originally Posted by tk390
read more; post less, please. OP said that he is LEO, looking for expanding ammo, so m193 is not relevant. What you keep in your HD rifle is not relevant, nor is your blathering about social media and politics in a thread about ****ing ammo.
The signal to noise ratio here is getting worse than ****ing tos. I find myself using and recommending this site less and less lately. I’m going to have to start blocking people so I don’t have to wade through bullshit to get to something useful or to share my experience.
Back on topic:
The reason I recommended Fusion MSR yesterday is that it is essentially a bonded soft point, with the barrier related and expansion benefits that come with that. It does well in a variety of internet gel tests, and has been shown to expand down to a very low velocity, without falling apart at typical velocities. Its not flashy, and functions perfectly in every gun I’ve tried it in, over the course of a few thousand rounds at this point, and has a sealed primer. Its on the hotter side of .223 (as in not quite 5.56) ammo, and flies straight. Pre-Covid, it was readily available for like 50¢ per round. It is also similar in velocity and zero to other rounds I shoot that are in the 68-70gr weight range.
Velocities:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediafile...SxS-233178.JPG
Velocities I measured myself:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...168&highlight=
Normal vs artificially low velocity in gel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otou1Fws4cQ
Cleargel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol8tgGtoXus
Comparison of MSR to regular Fusion velocities, and shots into Simtest media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5ZnQmKy2o
Through a windshield:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upyDQyr-3Lk
A variety of ammo in gel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFf...fUIJ1nN4SnsTVw
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My agency runs Fed LE223T3 out of issued 13.7” barrels. These are 62gr. Considering your twist rate and length, I wouldn’t go heavier than that.
IMO, FWIW, YMMV, etc…
Last edited by dan1612; 10-06-21 at 05:40.
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The fusion rounds are pretty damn accurate too.
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I sat back to watch the post spin out of control a bit. My intent was to find someone who has the information or at least knows where to get the information on bullet performance at distance from a sbr. Setting the limit of 200 yards.
As an LEO who is a firearms instructor, range master and armorer I and well aware of legal issues and shot placement. I find it interesting to see people answer a part of the question to imply vast knowledge when the entire question may have been disregarded and not answered.
I want to thank those who have given me valuable information and kept the conversation on task
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That's where you're wrong, bucko. We are an echo chamber of baited posts. We could figure it out for ourselves but then we couldn't pounce on the new guy for joining in.
Bonus points if you allow us an opportunity to mention that we are part of some big city agency, or high speed branch there of, even though we are asking for rudimentary information.
Welcome to the forum. Lots of good info is available in the sticky threads at the top of all sub-forums.
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[QUOTE=1168;2982621]read more; post less, please. OP said that he is LEO, looking for expanding ammo, so m193 is not relevant. What you keep in your HD rifle is not relevant, nor is your blathering about social media and politics in a thread about ****ing ammo.
The signal to noise ratio here is getting worse than ****ing tos. I find myself using and recommending this site less and less lately. I’m going to have to start blocking people so I don’t have to wade through bullshit to get to something useful or to share my experience.
Back on topic:
The reason I recommended Fusion MSR yesterday is that it is essentially a bonded soft point, with the barrier related and expansion benefits that come with that. It does well in a variety of internet gel tests, and has been shown to expand down to a very low velocity, without falling apart at typical velocities. Its not flashy, and functions perfectly in every gun I’ve tried it in, over the course of a few thousand rounds at this point, and has a sealed primer. Its on the hotter side of .223 (as in not quite 5.56) ammo, and flies straight. Pre-Covid, it was readily available for like 50¢ per round. It is also similar in velocity and zero to other rounds I shoot that are in the 68-70gr weight range
Wow sorry, I didn't read the rules. I see there it said you can only post what is a direct answer to question of the OP.
BTW I posted my brash opinion, then was scolded by a old crank. Then I stated the fact that this is a chat fourm, not a my facts only fourm. You all seam hurt to hear a opinion out side of your ballistics data anyone can find on a Google search, including gel test. I figure the OP can also. I also figured I could just give a basic option. Most SD scenarios even LE won't be taking shots at 200 yards. You'd be hard pressed to show a need on a night watchman job to do so. Unless someone took his sheep & his sheep boots hostage. Gotta go. Talk to o ya all next time I'm in the john.
Last edited by JoeBobJoe; 10-06-21 at 13:52.
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