Workplace Covid Mandate

[AndyLate]

My company sent out an update/clarification. Now they want employees to post proof of vaccination by Oct 29th if they are already vaccinated. Still have to be fully vaxxed by 8 December. We can submit religious and medical exemption requests and the company clarified that a strong moral belief carries the same weight as a religious belief. They also stated a political belief does not warrant an exception.

Andy

[Diamondback]

Boeing's language, from the head of HR:

"Boeing teammates,

As a U.S. government contractor, Boeing is required to comply with President Biden’s recent executive order requiring COVID-19 vaccines for federal contractors. Advancing the health and safety of our global workforce is fundamental to our values and a core priority every day.

After careful review and consideration, we are implementing a new requirement for U.S.-based employees to either show proof of being fully vaccinated from COVID-19 by Dec. 8, or have an approved reasonable accommodation (based on a documented disability or sincerely held religious belief) exempting them from the requirement. Employees who require an exemption should request one by Nov. 1 to avoid missing the deadline of Dec. 8. We are monitoring new and proposed state and local orders that could affect the timing or process for implementing this requirement in certain Boeing sites. If you are in a location that could be affected by such state or local rules, you will hear directly from your site’s leadership.

We are fully committed to assisting our teammates meet this requirement, and have established dedicated resources and services to assist employees. More information on how to share proof of vaccination or apply for an exemption will be available in the coming weeks. Learn more on BNN.

The actions we’ve taken around the world since the start of the pandemic, including implementing new safety measures, expanding access to vaccine and healthcare resources, and adapting our approach to virtual work, have helped support our people, our industry and our communities throughout this challenging period. The CDC has advised that vaccines are effective in preventing serious illness from COVID-19 and in reducing transmission of the virus.

We mourn our teammates who lost their lives to COVID-19 and sympathize with those who lost loved ones and family members. The resources and services we established to support teammates dealing with COVID-19 issues remain in place.

Thank you for your support and patience in this critical process. I’m incredibly proud of all the care you’ve shown for one another, our customers, our partners and our communities.

Mike"

Translated from Boeing-ese: "We're required to take APPLICATIONS for exemptions but not to GRANT them. File one if you feel like, but if you're not gonna be a Team Player and do as you're told you might as well clean out your desk right now because even if you DO force an exemption you'll need to pay for testing every week out of your own pocket and we'll be separating you as soon as we can find pretext. Don't expect favorable references afterward. Heil Biden!"

[yoni]

My company has a contract with the Federal Government, we will be walking away from it.

I guess then we open ourselves up for a law suit, fine we will close the American daughter corporation . If our legal types tell me I am risk of action by the government then it is good bye to the USA.

I refuse to live in a police state.

[Circle_10]

My company is a government contractor but as of last week hadn’t made any official announcement yet. I’ve been off the last two days so that may have changed.
In my department, between 6 and 15 people are saying they are going to walk if the mandates to get vaccinated are enforced. I (grudgingly but voluntarily) got vaccinated at the end of September. So while the vaccine mandate itself isn’t going to effect me, the resulting staffing shortfall is going to cause those in my department who remain being put on 12hr shifts six or seven days a week. So that will be the last straw for me for a job I already hate and has become steadily more intolerable over the last six years. Still it’s hard to just walk away from the stability of a job you’ve had for fifteen years. Haven’t quite got a coherent exit plan yet, but I refuse to work that kind of schedule.

[rocsteady]

They put out numbers last Friday that about 91% of the PH division is vaccinated with roughly 30 of us seeking religious or other accommodations. They added questions to the religious objection/reasonable accommodation list after most had already turned it in. Seems they're reaching back out to have everyone answer the additional questions but no word at all on what will be final decision.

[prepare]

You won't comply your way out of tyranny!

[Deadman William]

this thread is kind of a trip to read. i was vaccinated shortly after the pfizer vaccine was released. i was eligible, it was more or less optional for me. i wouldn't exactly be out of a job if i didn't get it, but i would be limited in ways id rather not be. likewise, i have no problem with the shot - science seems to me to be overwhelmingly that it's pretty effective and pretty safe. i have exactly the same opinion now, having not caught covid nor suffered any consequences, many months later. having done risk assessment and mitigation professionally probably helps me in this - i feel i have an objective view on the topic, and the rewards outweigh the risks, to me. this is me - you do you, but this is me. im not making a case for debate here, just explaining where i am.

so it's just a total nonissue for me... i don't have to deal with the uncomfortable situation of being mandated while having personal resistance to getting it. that would be rough, so i feel for all of you in this thread. as any seasoned libertarian will declare: i'm pro-choice, on everything. keep-your-laws-off-my-body. if i wasn't vaccinated and had no plans to be vaccinated and some entity was trying to compel me to get vaccinated, i'd be upset about it.

but in the end, what's the difference between you gentlemen and me, in this situation, having to weigh out your career and income? well, i mean.... it's purely personal position. a choice. i understand that you may want to stand on a principle, and if so, god be with you. but even as a generally principled guy, i think you're going to do a lot of suffering to just eventually get the jab later anyway, and then feel extra defeated about it. and then i understand that you may find that it's the risks - the risks exceed your risk threshold, and that i can sympathize with - for you gents, i'd suggest carefully weighing the risks of the vaccine against the risks of being unemployed and unemployable - which option will bring the best odds for maintaining your life, liberty, and happiness overall? if you do the math and it's still to eschew, no judgment here. but i suspect if most of you are objective about it, you're going to realize having a job, being able to get on airplanes, cross international borders, visit friends and family in hospital, etc, is worth more than the small risks the vaccine brings.

You won't comply your way out of tyranny!

maybe, but you can't noncomply your way out of tyranny. unless you noncomply your way out of the country. it's an option. but where are you going to go? your options are either other places that have/are/will require vaccination- so no net benefit- or places where personal liberty is higher, but things like income and life expectancy are low. this IS the state of affairs now, to resist it is to resist a tsunami.... go for it, but good luck.

my point is: you're not resisting tyranny, you're resisting human progress. this IS the future, like it or not. it sucks that looks like tyranny to you. you'd have a lot better, smoother, funner time here in this short life if you chose to see it differently.


anyway, hopefully this doesn't stray too far from the original intent of the thread. again, i'm not debating the efficacy or danger of the vaccine - i'm only suggesting you look at the question pragmatically.

[okie]

My company has a contract with the Federal Government, we will be walking away from it.

I guess then we open ourselves up for a law suit, fine we will close the American daughter corporation . If our legal types tell me I am risk of action by the government then it is good bye to the USA.

I refuse to live in a police state.

Where would you go? I've already taken some steps in preparation, just in case. It's getting to where you can't go anywhere without vaccination proof, though, and even if the country in question takes you, you still have to find an airline willing to take you. Even the container ships are being locked down.

[DG23]

maybe, but you can't noncomply your way out of tyranny. unless you noncomply your way out of the country. it's an option. but where are you going to go? your options are either other places that have/are/will require vaccination- so no net benefit- or places where personal liberty is higher, but things like income and life expectancy are low. this IS the state of affairs now, to resist it is to resist a tsunami.... go for it, but good luck.

my point is: you're not resisting tyranny, you're resisting human progress. this IS the future, like it or not. it sucks that looks like tyranny to you. you'd have a lot better, smoother, funner time here in this short life if you chose to see it differently.

That is a complete crock of garbage.

This 'mandate' applies to large companies with 100 or more employees. Guess how many businesses that are smaller than that make up the working population?

Those smaller businesses are not requiring anyone / everyone to do this garbage, not firing people that refuse the jabs and many are struggling to even find good help to fill positions they do have.

Yes we may see people leave bigger businesses that require the jabs but many will simple move / transition to smaller companies that do the same or similar things. It will not be the 'end of the world' for anyone that wants
to work...

May even be a good catalyst for more people to become self employed and be their own boss. Why share the fruits of your labor with a bunch of others when you can keep more of it for yourself?

Yes we may even see some places 'require' proof of vax for this or that but the vast majority of places will not give a damn.

When is the last time you asked your plumber for his shot record before allowing him to fix your pipes? Or your waitress? Or your barber? Or the guy delivering your inventory? Or the security guy patrolling your complex? Or the nurse at your local small clinic?

Sadly, we would not even be where we are now if there were not as many guys like YOU that are ready and willing to bend over and accept the tyranny instead of standing up against it and just saying NO. (I like to say that with my middle finger personally - Wish I had more of them...)

None of this vax mandate garbage will ever be a blip on my radar as far as my life and my work is concerned and NO I will not have to move to a different country.

Left them home today but plan to take my Dobermans to work with me tomorrow. Not 'asking' anyone before I do because I don't have to ask. I own the damn place and can do as I please, when I please. If a customer does not like it I can kick their ass out and never miss a beat. I have freedom and do not have to bend over for anyone. I seriously doubt you ever had any freedom at your 'workplace' and that is why you are so easy to give it up going forward and suggest others do the same.

Wish you luck when you go to work tomorrow, hit that timeclock and earn a bunch of money for someone above you on the corporate food chain while accepting the peanuts tossed your way at the end of the week and 'thinking' that you have freedom.

[DG23]

You won't comply your way out of tyranny!

You are one of the few guys here that does not wear panties and does not squat to pee.

That is what it seems like here lately at least...